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Truganini
01-29-2005, 05:39 AM
I found a review of the 1990 Celica GTS from a June 1990 issue of Car and Driver. It's five pages long, and has the usual performance testing. I know that I've searched long and hard for 0-60 times that the magazines recorded on our cars, only to usually come up empty handed. I think it would be great if there was a sticky on the 5th gen forum where people could post any reviews they find on 5th gens.

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Enjoy!

Hooligan
01-29-2005, 05:25 PM
That's neat, but do you have any higher resolution scans? It's impossible to see the numbers they give.

I'd sticky it in a second if I could actually see what it said. :)

Truganini
01-29-2005, 05:41 PM
The images have been resized through Photobucket. I could email the files to someone who could post them at their larger size, which is readable.

roman
01-29-2005, 05:43 PM
Yeah, my eyes hurt after reading that.

Hooligan
01-29-2005, 05:47 PM
The images have been resized through Photobucket. I could email the files to someone who could post them at their larger size, which is readable.

dave.helgeson@gmail.com

AllOutRed90
01-29-2005, 06:20 PM
isnt 17.2 at 79 MPH a little slow???

i can get like 87 in the quarter when my car was stock and its an auto....WTF...lol

kinick313
01-29-2005, 06:24 PM
wish my engine bay was that clean

AllOutRed90
01-29-2005, 07:15 PM
it was once upon a time

ibanezgfx
01-29-2005, 07:15 PM
isnt 17.2 at 79 MPH a little slow???

i can get like 87 in the quarter when my car was stock and its an auto....WTF...lol

mine ran like .5 slower than that stock.. had 140k on the clutch and i drove kinda shitty so that may have affected it, but that seems about right

AllOutRed90
01-29-2005, 07:23 PM
how are your guy's cars so slow? i had no mods and got almost 90!!!

Truganini
01-29-2005, 08:11 PM
Hooligan: article sent :wiggle:

I've taken 1/4 times on my Gtech; 17.4 @ 83.7 mph. A little slow considering my car is a GT, but then, my car is 14 years old.

GT4Dreams
01-30-2005, 12:00 AM
the driver was 350lbs they forgot to mention. they were probably biased against imports and got their not so skinny driver in that day. lol

Wicked Toys
01-30-2005, 01:57 PM
isnt 17.2 at 79 MPH a little slow???

i can get like 87 in the quarter when my car was stock and its an auto....WTF...lol

Same for my GT, stock was like 85 and now 90/93, also an Auto.

BlueCelicaGTS
01-30-2005, 04:07 PM
It also says top speed is 119mph... i've been well above that in my 91 gts.

jburner21
01-30-2005, 09:21 PM
"It also says top speed is 119mph... i've been well above that in my 91 gts."

how's that? whenever I hit about 117mph, my engine jus quits and slow itsself down to 90 before it will let me accelerate again...

What's up with that?

ChrisD
01-30-2005, 09:26 PM
For the magazine articles that get posted, I think we should just upload the pics to the server and then move it to the archives under Celica General after people have had a chance to check it out. That's what I'm going to do with the 2 mag articles I posted in 5th and 6th gen.

Doc
01-30-2005, 09:46 PM
Its not really that much of a favorable review. Was the Celica's design really that controversial when it came out?

But I look at it like this... 15 years after the article was published, which car has come out on top? In my opinion its the Celica. There are a great deal more 5th gens on the road than any probe or 300zx or any other car they mention in that article. Its design does not look dated. Often people are suprised when I say mine is a 1992 when they thought it was a 96 or 98.

Of course my opinion is biased but I wouldn't expect many to disagree.

Doc
01-30-2005, 09:47 PM
For the magazine articles that get posted, I think we should just upload the pics to the server and then move it to the archives under Celica General after people have had a chance to check it out. That's what I'm going to do with the 2 mag articles I posted in 5th and 6th gen.

excellent idea.

Hooligan
01-30-2005, 10:04 PM
Chris - see the mods forum, but I asked someone to get the full-res pics up. A member sent them to me and I will forward them to whomever.

minou87
01-30-2005, 10:25 PM
I found a review of the 1990 Celica GTS from a June 1990 issue of Road and Track....
It's actually from Car & Driver, but a good read nonetheless.

roman
01-30-2005, 10:59 PM
FWIW, my '90 automatic GTS with 140k miles on the clock ran 17.7 @ either 78 or 87mph. It's been so long, I don't even remember. The fastest I ever got it on an open stretch of road is about 124mph, but that was a LONG stretch of road.

AllOutRed90
01-30-2005, 11:19 PM
took me not even 2 miles to get to 130

jburner21
01-30-2005, 11:55 PM
I'd really like to know how/if any one has been able to get their 5th gen to get above 120mph. Mine basically puts the lock down on me at around 115mph. As soon as i hit 115 or 116, it slows down to 90 and then won't let me accelerate for a while...

Your feedback would be appreciated....

AllOutRed90
01-31-2005, 02:55 AM
i have an automatic and just shove it to the floor lol

Rayme
01-31-2005, 04:40 AM
Is that 0.95 Gs of latteral force ???
it's sad we didn't get the 3s-ge, it would have been even better (hell 3s-ge 4th gens are faster!)

Truganini
01-31-2005, 05:59 AM
Nope Rayme, it's .85 g's. Which is impressive nevertheless.

hobbie2k
01-31-2005, 07:36 AM
Its not really that much of a favorable review. Was the Celica's design really that controversial when it came out?

But I look at it like this... 15 years after the article was published, which car has come out on top? In my opinion its the Celica. There are a great deal more 5th gens on the road than any probe or 300zx or any other car they mention in that article. Its design does not look dated. Often people are suprised when I say mine is a 1992 when they thought it was a 96 or 98.

Of course my opinion is biased but I wouldn't expect many to disagree.

Well, the 300ZX was quite a bit more expensive than the Celica so it was selling to a smaller market in the first place (same market as the Supra and how many of those do you see around?), and the Celica has also proven far more reliable than the Ford Probe so that could be a very big factor in the number or Celicas you see around. While I agree that the "organic" design themes of the 5th gen was still a few years from widespread acceptance (thus the controversy), I don't feel that style alone is any indication of how many will still be on the road 10-15 years later.

I'll tell you what. I see a hell of a lot more early 90s Tauruses on the road than 5th gens. Does that mean that the Taurus had a more attractive design? Not a chance. I was just a higher volume model so statistically there will be more around 15 years later. Anyhow, I'll say that Sports Car International named the Z32 300ZX as the most significant styling exercise of the 90s. The hard-edged and cab-forward styling of the 300ZX was even more ahead of it's time than the 5th gen's rounded lines.

The details of the Z32 gave away it's late 80s heritage, but the design as a whole was 10 years ahead of it's time.

kinick313
01-31-2005, 10:24 PM
I'd really like to know how/if any one has been able to get their 5th gen to get above 120mph. Mine basically puts the lock down on me at around 115mph. As soon as i hit 115 or 116, it slows down to 90 and then won't let me accelerate for a while...

Your feedback would be appreciated....

ive gone i think 125, can't tell exactly because the gt's thinger only goes to 120. never got fuel cut, ive always heard alot of debate over whether we even have a fuel cut. i wouldn't expect us to considering we can only go about 5 miles over what everyone reports as the fuel cut.

jburner21
01-31-2005, 11:56 PM
interesting...

I've been trying to figure it out and have heard the fuel cut mentioned before, and that seems to make sense considering the way my car basically tells me "enough is enough" and drops down to 90.... it's upsetting cause it quits on me at like 4200 rpm, and I know that if I could get it up to at least 5500, it would probably be up around 130...

I have a 91, so maybe yours doesn't have one and mind does...

Hooligan
02-01-2005, 04:08 PM
Nope Rayme, it's .85 g's. Which is impressive nevertheless.

Agreed, .85g is pretty impressive even by today's standards. 7th gen GTS pulled a .89g if I remember correctly.

That's impressive considering that the car probably didn't ship with the best tires in the world, especially by today's standards. I'd bet that just a set of modern high performance/ultra high performance tires would raise that number a considerable amount.

COLDAX
02-01-2005, 08:26 PM
I found a review of the 1990 Celica GTS from a June 1990 issue of Road and Track.

Nice find, but the article is actually from Car and Driver. I remember an article from that era (can't remember the magazine) that reviewed the car and the System 10 because cars in that price point had never come with such a decent sound system.

Luis C
02-01-2005, 09:37 PM
I'd really like to know how/if any one has been able to get their 5th gen to get above 120mph. Mine basically puts the lock down on me at around 115mph. As soon as i hit 115 or 116, it slows down to 90 and then won't let me accelerate for a while...

Your feedback would be appreciated....

Hmm.. I had a 92 GT-S (manual) and max speed was 120 MPH, the car just would not go any further not because any restrictors (ie. fuel cut) but just because:
1.- the car did not have enough power to go any faster
2.- possibly gear box ratio

On my current 5th Gen (92 GT-i 3S-GE) the top speed has been 236 KPH (147.5 MPH), the car has no restricction and we do get the S52 gear box instead of the S53 the NADM market gets.

S52 Transmission
1st - 3.285
2nd - 2.041
3rd - 1.322
4th - 1.028
5th - 0.820
R - 3.153

Final Drive 4.176

jburner21
02-01-2005, 11:38 PM
Hmm.. I had a 92 GT-S (manual) and max speed was 120 MPH, the car just would not go any further not because any restrictors (ie. fuel cut) but just because:
1.- the car did not have enough power to go any faster
2.- possibly gear box ratio

On my current 5th Gen (92 GT-i 3S-GE) the top speed has been 236 KPH (147.5 MPH), the car has no restricction and we do get the S52 gear box instead of the S53 the NADM market gets.

S52 Transmission
1st - 3.285
2nd - 2.041
3rd - 1.322
4th - 1.028
5th - 0.820
R - 3.153

Final Drive 4.176

well, sadly my 91 5-speed won't reach 120 and it's very upsetting cause I can walk on any of my boys rides up to 110 (they drive a crx, talon, and integra), but beyond that they get me cause I get rejected at 115...

but what is a gt-1, and I thought that the only engine that was better than the 5sfe for the celica was the all trac engine? what car does a 3sge come from?

85gtsblackman
02-02-2005, 03:03 AM
i remember there is a wire i can cut and get past 115, its funny cause im limited by 5th gear so ill get up to like 128ish

jburner21
02-02-2005, 03:29 AM
i remember there is a wire i can cut and get past 115, its funny cause im limited by 5th gear so ill get up to like 128ish

and what wire is that? are u sayin ur celi gets up to 128?

Rayme
02-02-2005, 03:37 AM
I reached the end of my speedo once, which is 190 KM, that is exactly 118 MPH, though I didn't hit any fuel cut and held it down for a couple second more but the neddle didnt go over it but gained a couple rpm... I don't know whats up.

jburner21
02-02-2005, 03:42 AM
yeah well, like I said... I definitely hit some sort of restriction cause the car slows down to 90mph and won't let me accelerate past there for a second...

I may consult a dealer and see what they say...

Luis C
02-02-2005, 04:11 AM
but what is a gt-1, and I thought that the only engine that was better than the 5sfe for the celica was the all trac engine? what car does a 3sge come from?

GT-i or ZR was the trim level for the ST182 Celica in Europe and Japan witch got the 2nd Gen 3S-GE engine (think 3S-GTE but without the turbo). The 3S-GE pumps out 165 HP@6800 RPM (give or take) and 145 lb-ft@4800 RPM torque (according to the Spec Sheet provided by Toyota).

Actually Celicas sold anywhere outside the U.S. got far better engines than it's american counter parts, same as the MR2, the reason? I do not know, but fuel economy comes to my mind.

jburner21
02-02-2005, 05:01 AM
so 2 questions...

1) where could I get one of these engines in the US, and

2) would it pass emissions...

CruisinIL
02-04-2005, 03:36 AM
i got my 93 celica gt 5 spd up to 130 and it still had a lil ways to go, just ran out of road

wizzards581
03-22-2006, 06:41 AM
wow. the 86-89 with the 3SGE is alittle more powerful then this one. learned something new.

ciento44
03-23-2006, 04:23 AM
i got my 93 celica gt 5 spd up to 130 and it still had a lil ways to go, just ran out of road

Aftermarket speedo?

Celicaguy13
03-23-2006, 04:55 AM
i got my 93 celica gt 5 spd up to 130 and it still had a lil ways to go, just ran out of road

My 93 went the same. 130 and still had some more power left but also ran out of road.

Morwan
03-23-2006, 11:49 PM
Actually Celicas sold anywhere outside the U.S. got far better engines than it's american counter parts, same as the MR2, the reason? I do not know, but fuel economy comes to my mind.

I know you said this a year ago, but the 3S-GE gets much better mileage than the 5S-FE. One of the guys I work with on Wikipedia is a UK ST182 owner (website (http://celica.dublet.org/)), and he consistently gets 40.6 highway mpg.

Luis C
03-24-2006, 02:41 AM
Probably, it's just that that was the 1st thing that came to my mind, maybe emissions ? God knows why Toyota sold them with the 5S in for the NADM and not the 3S like the rest of the civilized world

Morwan
03-24-2006, 03:35 AM
The justification I heard was that the ST162 sold terribly in the US, even though it was the fastest in its class. Toyota assumed that the NA market wasn't interested in performance, and the result was the dog we all know as the ST184.

I'm also guessing that the 3S-GE is more expensive to manufacture than the 5S-FE, and Toyota saw that as a way of increasing its profit margins.