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VikingJZ
02-09-2007, 04:47 PM
Discuss.


I can handle this if you want.

If you guys would like to send me a brief note with you signature in my mail, I can put them in a box and send it to Toyota.


Again....discuss.

hyoctane
02-09-2007, 04:51 PM
If you guys would like to send me a brief note with you signature in my mail, I can put them in a box and send it to Toyota

It won't make a difference, as they had killed the Celica due to sales... They won't bring the car back because of a silly letter from a message board.

Sorry to sound so blunt, but I just don't think it will do any good...

burnyd
02-09-2007, 04:57 PM
whats it going to help?

Celicas didnt sell in the 2k's... they stopped making them and made a similar sport compact under a different name for a really cheep price tag... and thats why they sell..

but the toasters on wheels... I duno why they did this.

Kool_Aider
02-09-2007, 07:02 PM
The Tc replaced the Celica but I'd still rather have a Toyota sports car than a Scion "sporty" car anyday. We will always wonder what a 8th gen Celica would have looked like. Hope they would have brought back the All-Trac 3S-GTE version.

CandianCelicaGT
02-09-2007, 07:10 PM
Toyota still has the plans for the earlier celicas. They should re-birth the 5th gen all trac with newer technology and a more powerful 3sgte.

That would sell, not that shitty 7th gen junk they made that caused sales to fall off.

cms-gt4
02-09-2007, 07:15 PM
They should go retro and reviove the 1st gen. Rwd, getrag 6speed and the sti boxer engine (Since they wil soon own subaru) now that would be a cool car. Of course, I doubt it will happen.

supra97
02-09-2007, 07:17 PM
I would never buy a 7th gen. I haven't really heard anything good about them...or at least I haven't heard the praise that the earlier (especially 5th) generations get.

I think the decision to pull the Celica from the market was a tough one for Toyota, seeing as it's a very long running, successful car. Thus, they probably made a very informed assumption that the car had reached the end. I haven't been very happy with Toyota for doing that, since they left a gaping hole in their family of cars that say "PLACE SPORTS CAR HERE".

You would think they would have replaced it with something...but alas, disappointment.

Look at it this way, at least we still have our older "Toys" to play with.

hobbie2k
02-09-2007, 08:04 PM
Toyota doesn't care about their image, unless that image directly translates into profit. An image of high-quality, reliable cars that offer usable design, is far more profitable for them than an image of sportiness...and they've got more than enough things to do to keep up that image...

supra97
02-09-2007, 09:21 PM
Well then as far as I'm concerned, the company will only lose an entire base of customers. I don't know of many 18-28ish guys who really want a Camry or Solara. Corolla XRS...maybe. It's still pushing the "family car" too much.

This is really my opinion, but I don't know of anybody who disagrees with me, at least personally.

A car company like Toyota, who produces vehicles in all kinds of areas (trucks, sedans, minivans, and sports cars) should ALWAYS have something in each category to appeal to each consumer base.

I myself would currently buy nothing that Toyota has out right now. I would go elsewhere if I was looking for a new car, like Mazda. Look at the Mazdaspeed 6 and the RX-8. Both amazingly beautiful sports cars, yet functional as well.

Why can't Toyota do that? If it's about profit, well then they need to jump on the bandwagon and start reaching out to those younger, speed-oriented folks like us with cash to spend on new cars.

supra97
02-09-2007, 09:23 PM
Sorry, I meant to say practical instead of functional. My bad.

Oh and uh, I don't have cash to spend on new cars, and I didn't mean that most of us do. Simply that there ARE a lot of people out there like us (who like our sports cars) and have the 'bank' to purchase a new car.

Futant3
02-10-2007, 02:56 AM
This site is pretty heavily made up on 5th gen owners so of course you hear lots of good things about them.

Personally I agree that considering Toyota's current line-up they've got everything covered except the sports car, and there is nothing new I would buy. Get us a nice awd or rwd car that's well balanced, good looking, and powerful. Thinking something to take on the WRX and the like. Cars don't have to sell as widely as the Corolla or Camry to have a positive impact on the company's profit numbers and image.

insomnak8702
02-10-2007, 03:18 AM
wish it was 1993 again with the good ol 3 toyota powerhouses, mr-2, celica, supra

hyoctane
02-12-2007, 02:14 PM
That would sell, not that shitty 7th gen junk they made that caused sales to fall off.


I would never buy a 7th gen. I haven't really heard anything good about them...or at least I haven't heard the praise that the earlier (especially 5th) generations get....
Why is there so much hate/hostility toward the 7th Gen? I honestly don't understand... :(

Hookecho
02-12-2007, 02:28 PM
the more i look at 7th gen's the more i like em. i have nothing against them and would definately own one.

Cavanagh
02-12-2007, 03:12 PM
Why is there so much hate/hostility toward the 7th Gen? I honestly don't understand... :(
Ya, i dont know why so many people are hating on the 7th gen. I love them, except i would be quite picky with mine, i would have to have a gt-s 6 speed...i think the other gens are jealous because they are the fastest of the gens. :hehe: nah really i dont know why people hate them, i love all gens of celicas. :)

CandianCelicaGT
02-12-2007, 03:56 PM
I dislike the 7th gen because it isn't a celica, it's a tercel on steroids. And we all know what happens when you use steroids, yes, you "perform" better, but something is lost, something shrinks. And with the 7th gen, the level of fun is just about gone. Drive a 5th gen, then drive a 7th gen, that's why I don't like them.

david in germany
02-12-2007, 04:28 PM
7 gens grow on you. There will most likely be a 7 gen in my future :)

CandianCelicaGT, where you get Tercel from?

The 7 gen is 22lbs lighter than my ST and the GTS has 90+hp more!

supra97
02-12-2007, 04:36 PM
Yeah the 7th gen is faster, but I dunno...I went to carsurvey.org before I bought my 5th gen and researched all generations, and I had trouble finding any major problems with the 5th over the 7th.

I dunno...I like how they look, but it's almost like Toyota just didn't care anymore and shoved more power in but sacrificed the quality we've all come to know and love.

burnyd
02-12-2007, 05:10 PM
ill prolyl end up buying a 7th gen... the only problem is they look like such girly cars...

Colossus20v
02-12-2007, 05:13 PM
I'd drive a 7th gen. I would love to have a 99 swapped celica convertible though. BUt we'll see.

zmile06
02-12-2007, 05:51 PM
7th gen is just not as reliable as all the previous celicas. I heard the hood scoop cools off the brakes?

Also i see a TON of 7th generation celicas here in dayton ohio, and guess what? ALL RICED OUT. I want a reliable car that is fast, not a fast car that blows up.

Dont get me wrong ive never owned a 7th gen, probable never will. But they sell for like 7k right now thats a HUGE price drop for a newier car.

Fuelish
02-12-2007, 06:02 PM
I dislike the 7th gen because it isn't a celica, it's a tercel on steroids. . Hmmmm....I've always thought it was more of a 2 door Corolla ;)
They should go retro and reviove the 1st gen. Rwd, getrag 6speed and the sti boxer engine Yeah, I like the first gen retro idea :) .... my first car was a '75 Celica ST I bought offa my dad when I got out of college in '80 ....was cool car (although I believe it was 2nd gen, perhaps ???) rwd :cool:

BEAMS
02-12-2007, 06:10 PM
It would be great to bring back the celica. But...

There is not much money in building sports cars. Toyota is smart, they are building plain and simple cars like the prius, camry, and "sporty wanna be cars" like the scions".

Most people want fuel economy, reliability, ease of maint, and safety, not a turbo gas pig like a supra. Most people do not need a 12-14 second car....

The truth is 90% of the population are happy driving their stock accords, civics, and camrys and thats where toyota will make its money. Its all about making $$$ and thats it.

CollapsedNut
02-12-2007, 06:33 PM
^^ I agree there. I see the next generation of drivers being more worried about fuel economy and safety more than power, there will all ways be the people who want fast but most have the motivation to swap to a high performance motor. When you look back you can see the fazes performance car drivers have gone through, the muscle car when you either had a big motor or you didnt, you didnt have many people tryin to add power to a useless platform know today as "ricing", then the sport compact started up with powerfull 4cylinders and v6's in light compact cars and then people started worrieing about safty so we get the civic(hehe) but there were still the few who wanted to go fast but didnt know what to do so we got "ricers". Toyota knows it can make more money by making a car that looks good and has 100hp and is safe and economic.

insomnak8702
02-12-2007, 06:50 PM
I dislike the 7th gen because it isn't a celica, it's a tercel on steroids. And we all know what happens when you use steroids, yes, you "perform" better, but something is lost, something shrinks. And with the 7th gen, the level of fun is just about gone. Drive a 5th gen, then drive a 7th gen, that's why I don't like them.

deserves a stupidity :slap: ........:hehe:

supra97
02-12-2007, 06:51 PM
This is true, and with all the hype about global warming, there's this paranoia about driving too much and emissions. Well perhaps not paranoia yet, but I know sometimes when I go for a long random drive that I really don't need to go on, I feel a slight bit of guilt because I'm poisoning the atmosphere...lol.

With this knowledge, we are going to see hybrids and electric cars take over. It will take a looong time, don't get me wrong, but it will happen. The fact is that people don't want to pay the big oil companies their retarded prices anymore, and they don't want to hurt their planet.

I on the other hand, do not mind paying the big oil companies since I love my car and I don't really have a choice. No sense getting all mad about it since there is nothing I can do about it.

So, until they bring out a hybrid that performs like a sports car, looks like a sports car, and IS a sports car, and I can afford it, I'd like to see something to cater to the sports car enthusiasts out there.

I think it could make money if it was good enough. Technology is such today that you have people buying freaking V8 Chargers and still getting decent mileage and not really any emissions worry. Why? The Hemi. Not a new technology either. I see lots of Chargers and 300C's on the road. They, especially the 300, are very good sellers for DaimlerChrysler. Yet hmm...V8?? I thought that wasn't going to make any money for the big car company.

If they put their brains to it, they could make a powerful sports car that looks great, is decent on gas, and performs well.

hobbie2k
02-12-2007, 07:10 PM
If you want Toyota to bring back the Celica you need to give them a reason to. Image is not a reason, money is. If they see that the market is right for a real sport compact (ie, they can make money) they will build one. So go out and buy that Mazdaspeed3, or WRX, or SRT-4, or SE-R, or GTI, or Cobalt SS, or Si, or Eclipse, or whatever it may be. Show Toyota that there is interest and profit in the class and they will try to fill it.

One thing I kinda wonder about is the backlash against the tC...doesn't the tC represent a better interpretation of the 5th and 6th gen Celica philosophy than the 7th gen? It's a "sporty" 4-seat coupe with a torquey, everyday usable motor. It puts economy and value before sportiness. It's a true "date car."

grayscale
02-12-2007, 08:57 PM
...doesn't the tC represent a better interpretation of the 5th and 6th gen Celica philosophy than the 7th gen? It's a "sporty" 4-seat coupe with a torquey, everyday usable motor. It puts economy and value before sportiness. It's a true "date car."
I tend to agree with you. Aside from the fact that we all want to own a really fast AllTrac, ALL of the other Celicas were seemingly built with this idea in mind. I like the design of the tC on the outside and some of the boosted ones I have read about are getting pretty damn fast. As far as the inards, I hear people complain that it seems cheap, although if we ever saw an 8th gen it would probably be similar in cheap materials as this is the continuing trend for manufacturers.


Well then as far as I'm concerned, the company will only lose an entire base of customers. I don't know of many 18-28ish guys who really want a Camry or Solara. Corolla XRS...maybe. It's still pushing the "family car" too much.

You might want to look agian. Aside from Toyota being one of the best, they are also one of the smartest. "18-28ish guys" aren't buying Camrys and Solaras, they're buying Scions and the like. They didn't introduce the Scion line to change the world...it had already changed. And the more we see the Japanese influence the automotive world market, the more we will see of this, for this is the largest part of their young adult community in Japan-flashy cars with crazy systems and 92hp. Here's another thing to consider- some of the great performing cars of late do nto fall into the sports car category-Misubishi Lancer, Subaru Impreza, VW Jettas, Mazduhs...-all 4 door Corolla XRS looking cars. I think we are seeing a trend of the more sports car related platforms returning to the more affluent part of society as has sometimes been in the past.

Another thing I took note of several years ago was that Nissan gave the very same axe to their lineup-240sx, 300zx- with the exception of the 350z. Honda/Acura dumped the Prelude, midclass Integra, NSX-...and the list continues for others. Obviously it wasn't just Toyota that saw a big change coming.

hyoctane
02-12-2007, 09:11 PM
Another thing I took note of several years ago was that Nissan gave the very same axe to their lineup-240sx, 300zx- with the exception of the 350z. Honda/Acura dumped the Prelude, midclass Integra, NSX-...and the list continues for others. Obviously it wasn't just Toyota that saw a big change coming.

That is the most intelligent thing I have heard all day!

CollapsedNut
02-12-2007, 09:16 PM
[QUOTE=grayscale] for this is the largest part of their young adult community in Japan-flashy cars with crazy systems and 92hp.QUOTE]

Thats very true, going fast isnt a big deal anymore, its all about image, look at the rap industry....

burnyd
02-12-2007, 09:44 PM
If you want Toyota to bring back the Celica you need to give them a reason to. Image is not a reason, money is. If they see that the market is right for a real sport compact (ie, they can make money) they will build one. So go out and buy that Mazdaspeed3, or WRX, or SRT-4, or SE-R, or GTI, or Cobalt SS, or Si, or Eclipse, or whatever it may be. Show Toyota that there is interest and profit in the class and they will try to fill it.

One thing I kinda wonder about is the backlash against the tC...doesn't the tC represent a better interpretation of the 5th and 6th gen Celica philosophy than the 7th gen? It's a "sporty" 4-seat coupe with a torquey, everyday usable motor. It puts economy and value before sportiness. It's a true "date car."

right... there are alot of kids in their 20s buying wrx's,mazdaspeed 6/3,si's,srt4,s... theres really no toyota in that category. I meen Tc's suck. There great cars for daily driving or for the first car for a person out of school. But honestly they dont compare to any of the newer sport compacts.

If toyota brought out a car that would be on the same level as a srt4/wrx/speed3,6 it would be amazing. But after seeing what happened to them sales wise in the early-mid 90s with mr2/celica I think they make their money through camrys/economy based cars,but lets be honest they havent had a nice sports car for the past ten year minus the last year the supra came out. It would be awesome yes, but they just keep fucking up everytime they try... another turbo 4 car 3sgtish would be awesome I just dont see it happening any time soon.

grayscale
02-12-2007, 10:01 PM
... there are alot of kids in their 20s buying wrx's,mazdaspeed 6/3,si's,srt4,s... theres really no toyota in that category...

Never really has been. The only one was the MR2 turbo. Can't count the Supra in that class, it was way above it. The AllTrac was way to limited to be in there. When Toyota was making the 6thgens, Honda was putting out the comparable Prelude that had models with nearly 200hp. I think Hobbie hit the nail when he said Celicas(or nearly all Toyotas) have always been a good mix of economy and sporty.
We just love these cars for what they are and what they can be. I grew up for the better part of 20 years with my parents 78 CorollaSR5, 84 CelicaGT, 88 Celica GT. My first car was an 84 Celica GTS, and all I have owned since then have been Celicas.

Idiot Stick
02-12-2007, 10:29 PM
Another thing I took note of several years ago was that Nissan gave the very same axe to their lineup-240sx, 300zx- with the exception of the 350z. Honda/Acura dumped the Prelude, midclass Integra, NSX-...and the list continues for others. Obviously it wasn't just Toyota that saw a big change coming.

Negatory. The RSX in Japan is called the Integra. But to note; The RSX has been cut too, hasent it?

Cavanagh
02-13-2007, 12:25 AM
I dislike the 7th gen because it isn't a celica, it's a tercel on steroids. And we all know what happens when you use steroids, yes, you "perform" better, but something is lost, something shrinks. And with the 7th gen, the level of fun is just about gone. Drive a 5th gen, then drive a 7th gen, that's why I don't like them.

Ignorance...

Tell me how it is a tercel on roids and how it isnt a celica.

thats like saying 1-3 gens arnt celicas because there RWD.

You DO deserver a stupidity slap so...heres another one. :slap:

Cavanagh
02-13-2007, 12:26 AM
Negatory. The RSX in Japan is called the Integra. But to note; The RSX has been cut too, hasent it?
Yulp, 06' was its last year.