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Playfortoday
11-03-2006, 03:30 PM
As most of you know, my ST185 took a big shit on me again via my second broken Clutchmasters clutch. First one lasted 4000 miles with only one visit to the track, and the second lasted only 2000 miles with no racing and only a daily drive to the train station and back, four miles each way over 2.5 years.

Anyway, I have a really bad back that requires me to see specialists often and take a daily cocktail of meds to function. I am scheduled to have a disc replacement surgery this Summer to try to avoid another lumber fusion. I am not severely limited in what I do, but pulling an ST185 engine and dropping the tranny and xfer case are pushing my abilities.

Also, I am mechanically inclined, but for me, something like this is out of my comfort zone. Last time I had a bunch of stuff to do that would have required me to torque my body in ways I have not seen since I was healthy in high school, Jeremy, alltracman78, took 2.5 days out of his trip to IL to help me with a laundry list of stuff. He was awesome.

I drive my car like it is made out of fragile crystal because I do not have the financial means right now to fix it if it breaks. That is why this has been so devastating for me. You have to ask, what the fuck. I drove in 30mph traffic from one light to another.... I get to the next light, and my clutch is broken. No noise no sign, nothing. Sob, sob... why me?... yada, yada.

I have had to depend on one car for four weeks now. This is not too bad, except for the fact that my wife commutes 90 miles per day, and we have four kids to drive around anywhere and everywhere for sports/clubs/etc. It is putting a huge strain on us, and I do not really have the means to fix my car until tax season when I can afford the repair bills for a new clutch. The book time for a clutch in an st185 is 18.5 hours if I remember correctly. That is $1300 labor if you pay a mechanic, and I cannot possibly swing that right now.

I probably can swing it to fly a friend out to help me do it myself. Jeremy has said he will come back to help if his schedule permits. And last night, Luni said he would come out to help and even if he has take a leave without pay from work to do it. What a guy, and what a heart.

I guess my point for this post is not to post a sob story, but to say how lucky and privileged I am to have met so many awesome people on this site. People here have some of the biggest hearts I have ever seen anywhere. The give and do not take. I had question about the factory MR2 BOV, and Luni said... here, you can have the part I have of it for free. I have seen this happen many times between many members. It is like we have this big virtual garage, and everyone is happy to help. It's awesome. Usually, people just aren't like that nowadays. It seems like everything in life has strings attached, but the folks here are genuine. I have seen some truly spectacular acts of kindness and generosity happen here.

I don't know if this flight plan will work out, and I have to scrape to do it to make sure I have the parts and tools I need to be guaranteed to bang this out in 3 days, but I don't give a shit what the outcome is. Just meeting certain people here that I can say have been truly great friends for years now will make it worth while.

Now... THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A REQUEST FOR CHARITY. I WILL NOT EXCEPT IT, PERIOD.

Since this repair adventure won't be happening for a few months until I can save up for it, is there anybody around the Chicagoland area with a decent import for sale for around $1500 or less that is mechanically sound, and can get a guy a safe and economical 10-15 miles per day? I think I might be able to swing that much via a loan from some family to get me to Feb or March when I can collect some tax monies owed to me by the gov to fix my ST185 again. I just want a bargain and mechanically sound car like a honda or toyota as a DD to get me through.


Anyways, I get a little ferklemt when I think of all the great things that happen here, all the people I have met, and to know that I helped contribute to make it happen makes it all gravy. Thanks for letting me be a part of it.

MCcelica
11-03-2006, 06:05 PM
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ciento44
11-03-2006, 08:32 PM
As most of you know, my ST185 took a big shit on me again via my second broken Clutchmasters clutch. First one lasted 4000 miles with only one visit to the track, and the second lasted only 2000 miles with no racing and only a daily drive to the train station and back, four miles each way over 2.5 years.

Anyway, I have a really bad back that requires me to see specialists often and take a daily cocktail of meds to function. I am scheduled to have a disc replacement surgery this Summer to try to avoid another lumber fusion. I am not severely limited in what I do, but pulling an ST185 engine and dropping the tranny and xfer case are pushing my abilities.

Also, I am mechanically inclined, but for me, something like this is out of my comfort zone. Last time I had a bunch of stuff to do that would have required me to torque my body in ways I have not seen since I was healthy in high school, Jeremy, alltracman78, took 2.5 days out of his trip to IL to help me with a laundry list of stuff. He was awesome.

I drive my car like it is made out of fragile crystal because I do not have the financial means right now to fix it if it breaks. That is why this has been so devastating for me. You have to ask, what the fuck. I drove in 30mph traffic from one light to another.... I get to the next light, and my clutch is broken. No noise no sign, nothing. Sob, sob... why me?... yada, yada.

I have had to depend on one car for four weeks now. This is not too bad, except for the fact that my wife commutes 90 miles per day, and we have four kids to drive around anywhere and everywhere for sports/clubs/etc. It is putting a huge strain on us, and I do not really have the means to fix my car until tax season when I can afford the repair bills for a new clutch. The book time for a clutch in an st185 is 18.5 hours if I remember correctly. That is $1300 labor if you pay a mechanic, and I cannot possibly swing that right now.

I probably can swing it to fly a friend out to help me do it myself. Jeremy has said he will come back to help if his schedule permits. And last night, Luni said he would come out to help and even if he has take a leave without pay from work to do it. What a guy, and what a heart.

I guess my point for this post is not to post a sob story, but to say how lucky and privileged I am to have met so many awesome people on this site. People here have some of the biggest hearts I have ever seen anywhere. The give and do not take. I had question about the factory MR2 BOV, and Luni said... here, you can have the part I have of it for free. I have seen this happen many times between many members. It is like we have this big virtual garage, and everyone is happy to help. It's awesome. Usually, people just aren't like that nowadays. It seems like everything in life has strings attached, but the folks here are genuine. I have seen some truly spectacular acts of kindness and generosity happen here.

I don't know if this flight plan will work out, and I have to scrape to do it to make sure I have the parts and tools I need to be guaranteed to bang this out in 3 days, but I don't give a shit what the outcome is. Just meeting certain people here that I can say have been truly great friends for years now will make it worth while.

Now... THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A REQUEST FOR CHARITY. I WILL NOT EXCEPT IT, PERIOD.

Since this repair adventure won't be happening for a few months until I can save up for it, is there anybody around the Chicagoland area with a decent import for sale for around $1500 or less that is mechanically sound, and can get a guy a safe and economical 10-15 miles per day? I think I might be able to swing that much via a loan from some family to get me to Feb or March when I can collect some tax monies owed to me by the gov to fix my ST185 again. I just want a bargain and mechanically sound car like a honda or toyota as a DD to get me through.


Anyways, I get a little ferklemt when I think of all the great things that happen here, all the people I have met, and to know that I helped contribute to make it happen makes it all gravy. Thanks for letting me be a part of it.

Play, i know of a local 1988 Corolla GT-S that is for sale. Needs a battery, starter, and tires. Mechanically sound, in great shape, and the dude wants $1000 for it. I'm sure i could talk him down to $800, and possibly somehow go drive it.

If you're interested, i can go check it out for you, and i would even be willing to deliver it... i think i'm around 4-5 hours from you, not a big deal.

Second option... and i'll have to think about this a day or two, and see what my options are for second car around here... I may be willing to give you my GT for $1500, if you think that later down the road, you could get me another $500, or if you want to come out here to help me slam out the rest of the alltrac when i'm finishing up stuff in spring.

Again, i'd have to think about the GT situation, i'm kindof loathe to give up a car that i know to be rock solid dependable, but where i'm located, i probably have a few more options open than you do.

Let me know if you're interested in either. :)

Playfortoday
11-04-2006, 01:06 AM
Ciento, my man, your offer is just what I am talking about. The members here are awesome. I could not take the car from you though. You deserve the full amount, and the total expenses I will occur from my ST185 resurrection(not to mention my budget in general and my wife;)) will prevent me from having the money to pay the full amount to you. But thanks for the selfless offer.

As for the Corolla, it definitely is in range, but I would definitely need to know and see more. My future DD has to be rock solid and cause me little extra expense. It needs good tires, brakes, and all that other jazz. Basically, I need turn key, because I will be tapped and already borrowing money from a relative (le sigh) for my DD. I don't want you to put yourself out to help me, because I still have a lot of grovveling to do to get a loan for the DD. But please keep me posted if you can get more info with minimal effort.

Thanks again, man.

ciento44
11-04-2006, 01:17 AM
Not a problem... As Cav will probably tell you, i've been thinking about getting this Corolla for myself for a week or so, and i'm trying to get a time that i can go look at it anyways. I can't have it unless i sell the GT, but i'm going to go look at it anyways. If it still looks good, and if i can get a chance to drive it, i'll definitely let you know what's up on it. I'm sure i can get a good price quote for starter and all that jazz, too.

I'm pretty confident that i could even get the starter, battery, and tires replaced, and even drive it out to you for under $1500 if the seller is being up front about the car.

And hell, if i like the GT-S enough, i may even sell you my GT for the $1500 if the GT-S turns out to be something that i like more than "Chang." :P

But yes, i'll keep you posted. There's a few other cars around here, i'll keep an eye out.

MrWOT
11-04-2006, 01:49 AM
I think any car Play buys should come with a large, round-headed grey cat included.

2kSnakEater
11-04-2006, 02:20 AM
I <3 Play, sorry Im not anywhere near you! I would love to help out.

InitialD93
11-04-2006, 03:06 AM
I have a suggestion that you may wish to ponder. I recall a year or 2 ago when Luni had his engine problems with the MR2 and we all came together as friends in the membership to help him out and donate just a small ammount from each of us to create a greater good.

Play i would put you and Luni right in the same boat, for all that both of you have done for keeping this community together and adding your great wit and knowledge to the group.

I personally would have no reservations about donating to a similar "help Play" fund to try to help u get everything going again... hell if we can buy Luni an engine i think we can atleast get u a clutch or help u out with this whole process so that maybe you dont have to borrow too much money.

I know that you say that you dont want charity, but i believe this would only be a fair payback for all that you have added to this site and the celica world in general.

Anyone else in favor of this?

KoreanJoey
11-04-2006, 04:11 AM
I second I didn't have the opportunity to help out Luni when he needed it maybe I can make up some karma helping out Play.

KoreanJoey
11-04-2006, 04:13 AM
Just a question Play, have you raised hell at clutchmasters yet? I know I would have.

alltracman78
11-04-2006, 05:00 AM
Well first we gotst o see what the problem is.
We can gues all day, ut untilw e see the probmem infront of us , we can't bitch to mcuh.....

MrWOT
11-04-2006, 05:32 AM
Anyone else in favor of this?

Not a bad idea, but you kind of spoiled it this time, last time it was supposed to be a surprise :hehe:

InitialD93
11-04-2006, 05:43 AM
well i figgured it should be up to him if we did it, since he already said he didnt want charity

Playfortoday
11-04-2006, 05:59 AM
KJ... Yes, I raised hell the first time and they claimed abuse from me after they saw the pics I sent to them. I raised more hell and paid to ship it to them and have them look at it in person. Once they saw it in person, they told me that they never saw anything like it in the x number of years they had been doing clutches. They did give me a new clutch and FW under warranty. No springs were damaged, and aside from the big hotspots on the FW, there were no other things to indicate what the failure was. They never did figure it out. If I had the money at the time, I would have said screw CM and put in something else, but clutchmasters was replacing everything for free, so I had to go for it. At that time, we only had a few clutch options that anyone had experience with as far as quality. Plus, at the time, alltrac.net members pretty much said the CM stage 3 was the most decent choice for the st185. The only other real choices were ACT(which got bashed 2 to 1 over CM) and HKS which was too expensive, and TRD(lol).

As for raising hell this time around, it is so far out of warranty that they would just laugh and hang up. Plus, it was to get them to cop to the first clutch malfunction. The same occurrence usually logically says more proof should be in my favor, but it works the same way for them to say I had to be the cause to do it two time now.

Many people won't think my experience is that bad, but it is the sequence of event and bills (divorce, homeless, failed business) that screwed me.

First, I did the clutch after I bought the car. The bill was around $1700 with the clutch parts incl. which I got at cost through my shop acct with CM. Before non-185 owner chime in... book on a clutch is 18 hours or so. Take that time 60-80 dollars.

A few months later the head gasket blew. Still "homeless" at this time, I paid to have it done. The bill for head rebuild, three angle, mild p&p, new hg, and reinstall, I think I was around $2000 or more for that one. Could I have done it cheaper? Sure, but I over did it to up my chances of not having to do it later on anyways. It also saved me inevitable future upgrades. Most of the expense is cracking it open. Why not kill a few birds at a time.

A few more months later, the cylinder three ringland blew and scored the cylinder wall. Since I was working with a 100,000 mile motor, and I knew a JDM motor warranty would expire long before it was ever installed into my car, I went the ultra-anal route and did a brand new oem shortblock and every other part imaginable such as new pumps, seals, and anything else I knew would eventually go. I even did the PS pump and axels. So.... block was $1400, pumps, kits, gaskets, and everything else... another $600, then throw in another huge labor bill around $2300. Goodbye over $4000. Total parts and repairs since purchase est. $6000(or one credit card.)

The car is now brand fricking new now, right?. I planned for everything just like Jeremy did with his recently(not quite so extreme, but close). Nothing could go wrong. Wrong! A lot of ST185 owners can demonstrate this.

4000 miles later my highly recommended CM stage 3 clutch fuses to the PP. Goodbye $1300. Also, mechanic tells me axels not done right. I call BS, but chexh them and they are bad. Two rebuilds at $200 total. Later I found out that the axels were fine and that it was him dropping my engineless car off a jack onto the axels that caused the damage. Also find my brand new alltrac specific radiator was cracked in half and replaced with a GT-S radiator with an auto tranny. :woot::rolleyes: Other incidentals bring me up a couple hundred more. Why not sue this scamming jerk? Long story short. Familly friend and long time customer of our shop. You let your guard down when you trust someone like family. I am happy to say he is no longer in business. Good bye $1800. I have every bill for this car since 1992. I can post the mechanic receipts to show that it was all itemized, made sense, and I just had to spread my cheeks. Out of pocket to keep my goals on track and to keep her running by this time totalled est. $8000.

And we cannot forget that I also had no choice but to charge tons of parts for my 1/4 mile show/go/SQ CRX. Not that I gave a shit. I love toyotas, but when you own a car business, demo cars are important and Honda was the bomb at the time. I had $5000 of my personal cash money dumped into this CRX. The business was supposed to pay me back, so I didn't think much of it. The business always did in the past, and it would again. Little did I know our doors would permanently close this past April after six tough years. Let's just say that I am carrying huge debt now because of it. To give you an idea... My store sales in 2003 were over $850,000 gross. After expenses and others salaries, my W-2 shows that I took home $18,000 for all of 2003 and it's the truth)

Now for the last two years and 4K miles, everything else I have not yet replaced breaks and gets fixed, and repairs rarely cost more than a couple hundred a pop, and anyone that owned an ST185 knows it is par for the course and is to be expected.

So at least everyone knows why I suck at life and money now. I just don't want people thinking I am reckless and retarded with money. Divorces, custody nattles and failed business tend to ruin a man's wallet. I had no choice but to Live off of credit cards for a couple years to supplement my failing business and lack of paychecks from said business in order to feed my kids, pay my mortgage, and give my son's mother $1000 per month in child support(Hey young celicatech-ers... no piece of ass is worth that, especially when you don't even get to hit it for the last 10 years:hehe: )

Sorry for the book. I wanted to write this all down. Not for the nosey people, but for my own peace of mind. I keep asking myself what in the hell happened to me. It makes a little more sense to see it written out, and I feel that I was not just blind the whole time. Thinking back, it was a blur.

Over the years, in between paying off debt, I have also tossed mods at this car to a total of about $5000 in addition to the bills just to feel like I can do something fun for myself every once in a while. But as my involvement here will show, I have not done much the way of tech talk for a couple of years, because I have no money which do to tech stuff with, so I spent most of my time just trying to better the site and its policies. I have no available credit and have not used any form of credit in almost 3 years. If you can take anything away from this younger dudes... do not even over extend yourself. Never carry more than a couple thousand in debt at any time. And if you try something and it starts to fail, try harder, but don't keep throwing money at it. You are only delaying the inevitable. My business aside... I have the most expensive broken 1992 Celica in the country probably. 9K to buy, 8K to keep her alive due to four engine pulls in 2 years, and 5K in mods.:laugh: God, am I a dumbass.

So anyway.... :D Thanks for the offers of help from everyone. I still don't think I could ever take money from anyone though. My dad ingrained that into me my whole life. Could I use help... um yes. Could I ever take it. Probably never. You guys have better things to do with your kizzo. Spend it on the girlies. My mismanagement should not entitle me to a bail out. You guys work just as hard for it. Keep it.:D

suasa
11-04-2006, 06:37 AM
Hey play, i'm fairly new here, mostly read add what little i can, but i know your a very important member to the board, and offer ALOT to our community. I too have noticed the imense generosity of people on this board, and i wish you luck my man. Also, i would be totally willing to throw in 5 or 10 bucks into a "for play" fund if one was made just for the knowledge i have gained from your posts man. I wish you the best and keep on truckin.

ciento44
11-04-2006, 06:49 AM
Novel. :P

No, i really did read it all. And it really just makes me think that the "Help Play" fund is a good idea...

With all the shit you've had to put up with, and the position that you're in right now... pride shouldn't have anything to do with it. If you've got friends that are willing to pay a VERY small sacrifice, which is really, considering, all it would take from each of us, then take it, use it, because you need it. I'm pretty sure we're all willing to give you a small cash gift to get you through. Think of it as a late/early birthday present.

I'll still try to look at the Corolla for you, but i don't think that taking out another $1500 in loan would be the best avenue for you at the moment.

It's not pity, it's not charity, it's helping out a friend. And if one of us found ourselves in that much of a bind, i'm sure you'd at least consider doing the same. Hell, it's already happened once.

There's a decent amount of active members here... i don't think it would be all that hard to get you back up and running, and i'm also sure that one or two of us could come out and get the work done on the AllTrac, rather than you gettting raped on shop fees. I personally dont have the mechanic experience that i would feel comfortable with doing that, but i know others on here are, and i even know a couple locals that would probably be willing to make a weekend trip out there with me to bang that out.

Food for thought.

Murgatroy
11-04-2006, 07:08 AM
When are you looking at pulling the clutch? I have some vacation time coming up, if you have floor space, I am a miser. ;)

Yeah, this place is awesome. I have met a good number of folks from here with various meets and so forth over time, to be honest, I think of all of you as my friends. It wouldn't bother me a bit to chip in a little bit of cash to get some work done for ya.

And to all of those that are offering cash, where are you guys when it is donation time? Not being a dick here, but most of us mods make recurring donations, not just one time. ;)

'90 CeLicA Aus
11-04-2006, 07:31 AM
I would offer a few bucks, but don't have paypal account/Credit card. Best of luck mate, hope it all works out :(

andy
11-04-2006, 08:03 AM
+5 for plays fund, i hope you get it all figured out man, you deserve it.

KoreanJoey
11-04-2006, 10:49 AM
Play don't think of anything we would do for your as charity, if anything it's paying you back for your commitment to Ctech. I can only imagine how many people you've helped and how many thousands of dollars you've saved these guys. If nothing else it's a little early christmas present from all of your friends. Considering Ctechs population is quite substantial it just shows you how many people have your back.

I can't say I've ever been in a real tough situation as yourself but I have a feeling that I understand it to a point. I work with a lot of people in really bad shape and, like yourself, it's a bunch of bad luck that gets them there. I'm just happy there are people around here to help. Makes me have some faith in a world that's so obsessed with Numbero Uno. There have been several people here on this board and others that have helped me in the past and I've tried to offer help whenever it looked like it was needed. And you buddy, might not need it but it could definately help. And you shouldn't not accept help, it's what friends are for.

Sorry I guess I also wrote a novel.

PS: CLIFFS: Play just let us help.

InitialD93
11-04-2006, 12:39 PM
i agree, consider it a gift from the membership. now someone set up an account for this:Ban1:

david in germany
11-04-2006, 12:48 PM
+5 for plays fund, i hope you get it all figured out man, you deserve it.
I think we could do a little something with a blinking clutch or something :) :bowdown:

Playfortoday
11-04-2006, 05:12 PM
WOW. You guys are the greatest, end of story. We have a great thing going here at Celicatech. I am really touched, and I am not saying that in a cliche kind of way.

The way I see it is that I created the mess that I am in. Choices I have made put me here, whether they were controllable or not. That is why I am hesitant to accept help. Everyone here works hard for what they have, and my situation should not have to leach off of yours. When we set up the engine fund for Luni is felt pretty damn good helping someone else out, but being on the other end doesn't feel as fuzzy other than the fact that I am astounded by others willingness to be selfless and sacrifice for someone they never met.

Here is the thing... I think the best thing to do is to get a DD first and foremost, because who knows what the car has in store for me. I know the clutch is gone again, but I don't know if the pressure plate bit the big one too, nor do I know if it is worth trusting again. And who says that if I fix that, that it won't break two days later. My immediate issue is having a another car to shuffle around all the kids and for emergencies and for errands. I think fixing my car immediately is not the best solution, because of that. To own an ST185, you need a big bank account or a second car, period (unless you can work on your car free from work e.g. mechanic).

Come tax season, I have a number of deductions and usually get back a decent amount. That will be the best time to fix the all-trac. I can buy the parts, and then maybe I can have a meet at my house to fix it;) I can then pay to fly in a couple friends from the site a give them a place to stay. I would feel like a big pile of crap if ciento came up with people I didn't know and watched them work on my car. But if peeps wanted to drive up when I have the money to bring someone in, then the more the merrier.

So I think the best thing is to get a cheap, reliable commuter/DD for now. Whos knows... if I ever get back on my feet and the car is a result of something that goes down here, I can always pay the car forward to the next person who has trouble and can use a car (that is if it is running by then:hehe: ).

It feels shameful to me to be on this side of circumstance, but all I can say is that you guys are fricking awesome, and I want to give a (non-:ghey: ) hug to all of you.:D

sloceli
11-04-2006, 05:44 PM
This site is here for building cars and friendships. Well were all friends so its time to help build/rebuild your car. I'll be in Peoria over the Christmas break if you need anything.

Playfortoday
11-04-2006, 05:59 PM
I just did some thinking, and I don't know what I should do just yet. A DD will bail me out, but it has just as big of a chance as blowing up and costing money, because anthing in my price range will be a bad shape. On the other hand, aside from labor, fixing my car will cost only some misc. parts/gaskets, a clutch disc, and a pressure plate. If I had someone (or two) perople help me with doing the work, I will be out only a 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of a DD.

Edit: Joel, I just saw your post. How long will you be around? Would you be able to come by? Luni told me how long it took you to do your swap. If that is true, we could bang my clutch out in a couple few hours.:hehe: Just kidding! And thanks for the kinds words too.

sloceli
11-04-2006, 06:22 PM
No problem, anything I can do to help.

I'm hoping to be there for at least a week and a half if not two. I just thought of something that might work. My cousin is doing his internships at one of the ghetto Chicago hospitals. If I fly straight into Chicago I can just ride down to Peoria with him. I'm sure the plane ticket will be cheaper doing it that way since there are no direct flights from Seattle to Peoria.

sloceli
11-04-2006, 06:35 PM
Oh, have you thought about what clutch you want to run. There are a lot more options nowadays. I'm using the stock 3s PP and a Centerforce Dual Friction disk. I've abused this thing from the day the 3s was installed with no problems. Just an option, I'm sure others will chime in with their suggestions

2kSnakEater
11-04-2006, 06:36 PM
I just read all that, and after me really wanting to help more than ever. I just realised, I have a 92 Teal All-Trac with the engine missing in my back yard :ugh: :ohnoes: :ugh:


Im so fucking :duh:

GlHlOST
11-04-2006, 06:48 PM
heyheyhey I just skimmed through this cuz I haveto go soon, so excuse me if i misunderstand anything but, I would make a donation to a help Play fund... I dunno exactly what its for but I know its to help Play wit sumthin, so I would be more than willing to help a fellow CTech member. I'll read all the info later, but u can put me on the list.

david in germany
11-04-2006, 06:52 PM
Play do a list of exactly what parts you need, We can see what we all have laying around and also look for a source for all cheap and then if people are willing set up a way to order and get the stuff to you when the time arrives.

DO IT NOW!

MrWOT
11-04-2006, 06:53 PM
I'm using the stock 3s PP and a Centerforce Dual Friction disk.

+1 to that idea. Stock pp is fine for decent power, anything stronger just toasts your thrust bearings quicker.

david in germany
11-04-2006, 06:54 PM
Ps if the wife is a good driver she needs to be driving the Celica... maby it will save the cluches?



lol

Playfortoday
11-05-2006, 02:00 AM
I just got home, and I am in the middle of something with the kids, so I will reply as soon as I get a chance. On the clutch top though, I am thinking I will want to do the master and slave since they are original, and then what you guys suggest as far as the PP and disc are concerned. I think jeremy is convinced that an aftermarket PP and a stock disc is the right combo though. As for what I think, I just want it not to break anymore, and I will never go bigger power than the GT28RS (est. 300whp i think; but I won't even do that unless I am sure the clutch will not do this same thing again). Then, the rest of my list will involve getting supporting equipment that I don't have like a cherry picker, air impant and air rachet, and whatever else I will need, which whoever is coming (hopefully) can let me in on. And then there is a plane ticket to get someone here to help me.

sloceli
11-05-2006, 03:25 AM
A list of needed parts
Cherry picker, breaker bar, 1/2" and 3/8" ratchet set, 10-24mm, 30mm socket for axle nuts, torque wrench, jack and jack stands, drain pans. Thatís about it. I did have an electric impact wrench but common hand tools will be just fine.

It doesn't take much to drop the engine. Drain fluids, disconnect wire harness, remove engine to chassis grounds, remove cross members (10 bolts), remove axles from hubs, take off hood ( the only 2 person job), attach cherry picker and apply tension then remove the two mount bolts then drop the engine. In the Alltrac's case the tranny will have to be disconnected form the rear drive shaft. The last time I dropped my engine it took 2-2.5 hours total. The hardest part of the whole job is the separation and reconnection of the transmission.

4thgenceli
11-05-2006, 04:19 AM
Man..

:woot2: for teh luv on Ctech.

I'd help, but my medical bills just tripled in the last 48 hours. Shit I'd love if some Ctech members were in the AZ area to gimme a hand with Celibaby and whatnot.

meh, best of luck to ya Play!!

GlHlOST
11-05-2006, 05:04 AM
Man..

:woot2: for teh luv on Ctech.

I'd help, but my medical bills just tripled in the last 48 hours. Shit I'd love if some Ctech members were in the AZ area to gimme a hand with Celibaby and whatnot.

meh, best of luck to ya Play!!
wat happened ^^^ there???

sloceli
11-05-2006, 07:01 AM
Here's the run down Jay, we all love you and the contributions you have made to the site and the Celica Community. Think of it as friends fixing a legend of a car (Not just Jay). I
'm sure I speak for most of us here when I say the Celica Community would suffer at the loss of such a great friend and car. Where all here to help (you and each other) when the time comes and it will happen to most of us, this time it just happens to be you.

Cavanagh
11-06-2006, 01:14 AM
^^^Very Well Put^^^
Neh, i don't know what input i can put in, but i would still deff. go to Chi-Town if you needed any type of help. Also, i would consider selling my ST, just depends when you would need it by since i am prolly going to get it fixed soon.
Best of luck, Let me know.

Playfortoday
11-06-2006, 02:33 PM
I love you guys.:D

Murgatroy
11-06-2006, 05:59 PM
I love you guys.:D
Ghey...


So when are you gonna shoot for this to be done. I have vacation time again afterthe 1rst of the year, I already have one planned for the 1rst week of December, but I think that one is booked.

ciento44
11-06-2006, 07:07 PM
Ghey...


So when are you gonna shoot for this to be done. I have vacation time again afterthe 1rst of the year, I already have one planned for the 1rst week of December, but I think that one is booked.

Ditto on my part. I'll have a bunch of time after new years, and i'd be happy to come out and hand people wrenches if that's what's going down. :)

Murgatroy
11-06-2006, 07:12 PM
Ditto on my part. I'll have a bunch of time after new years, and i'd be happy to come out and hand people wrenches if that's what's going down. :)
Tool Bitch!

We all have to start somewhere. :hehe:

ciento44
11-06-2006, 07:53 PM
Tool Bitch!

We all have to start somewhere. :hehe:

Yep. I can figure pretty much anything from a good repair manual, but i'm slow at it, becuase i don't have a ton of experience. I can do brakes, and general maintenance, oil changes, spark plugs, bolt on performance stuff, but when it gets into clutches, heads and suspension (never done that), i'm pretty retarded. :P

But man, i'm great at being Tool Bitch!! I'm also good at being "Paper Towel Boy," too.

Murgatroy
11-06-2006, 07:59 PM
Any experience at 'Beer Fetcher?'

ciento44
11-06-2006, 08:01 PM
Any experience at 'Beer Fetcher?'

I worked for two years as a bartender in a redneck town... i'm pretty sure i've got that one covered. You can only have Bud or Bud Light, though. :P

david in germany
11-06-2006, 08:07 PM
I am certain they would rater have Play's wife bringing the suds :)

alltracman78
11-07-2006, 01:07 AM
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm not going to touch that one.......

What IS all this shit?

I thought we were MEN here.
All I see is a bunch of sappy pussy crying and weeping.

Reach down and grap those frikin jalapenos you have hiding under your asscheeks , peel them off the skin, and give them a little pinch to remind yourself what you think you are.










Jay, I'm going to try to call you sometime this week to discuss.

Playfortoday
11-07-2006, 02:26 AM
Jay, I'm going to try to call you sometime this week to discuss.

PLEASEFLYHERENOW.NONEEDTODISCUSS.LESSTALKY,MOREWOR KY.;)

Just kidding. Call me anytime.:D

alltracman78
11-07-2006, 02:31 AM
HAHAHA

If only I could.

I am stuck doing my buddies exhaust on his rusted up Ranger this Fri....
Instead of working on my trans.

InitialD93
11-07-2006, 06:20 AM
I might be able to come help u out.. im a certified tech at Firestone, going to automotive school in nashville, and ive had my all-tracs appart more times than i really like to think about so i do know a few tricks. let me know for sure when u are wanting to do this, between me and Jeremy im pretty sure this could be knocked out in a weekend or so. i just need some time to schedual arround it before hand.

PM me ur phone # play

david in germany
11-07-2006, 06:23 AM
Ok Jeremy has mentioned he has time in Jan. InitialD93 can you figure out if you can do it in Jan? Play can you hang on till then? Will anyone else have time in Jan?

InitialD93
11-07-2006, 06:29 AM
i should be able to swing some time in january to head up there... i just need some firm dates to make sure i get off of work for that time and figgure out how the hell im gona get there:hehe:

ill have to buy Jeremy another ham and pinapple pizza, lol

david in germany
11-07-2006, 06:39 AM
Cool, Jeremy, can you set the date?

david in germany
11-07-2006, 06:40 AM
Oh, and Play, you better be home....

Luni
11-07-2006, 07:19 AM
I told Play me and him could do it in a weekend no problem. I have no doubt of that. After rebuilding the engine in that Talon and doing everything on it I dont fear the alltrac.

Play Im running on my MR2 right now a centerforce PP and a stock disk. The opposite of Joel, and it feels grippier than stock but still forgiving which I like.

I also think the majority of clutch failures are from improper installs, people trying to mate the tranny to the engine while its in the car and banging the PP on the way in or something. Remember, nothing holds that clutch disk in place except the PP on the FW after its all said and done. Hit the PP and risk moving the disk. Now you have a misaligned disk. May line back up, may not.

All I know is a clutch isnt the end of the world and with all the support in this thread it shows how much the community loves you and would help you.

And if we were to put together a fund (not saying we are), youd take it and like it or else bish.

You guys helped me out when I needed it... You think the warm fuzzy is good donating a chip to help someone? Wait till youve gotten the whole damn cookie from people helping you.

You have no idea the compliments and awestruck responses I get when I tell people that my messageboard paid for 3/4 of my engine when my MR2 died. They just cant get over the fact that "strangers on the internet" gave their money to a cause. Its the coolest man.

Im going to take this chance to thank each and every one of you guys for being here, and doubly thank every one with the flashing engine icon in their name.. they know whats up. You guys rock.

I love this site.

Play, I want to come visit you, but Im not sure if its feasible till springtime with my vacation. If you wait that long, ill show you how to do all the work yourself and not fear your car.

If you dont, which if I were you I dont think I would with all the offers for help youre getting, Ill still come up there and show you how to drive it :p :)

mtp_69_i
11-07-2006, 07:50 AM
It's not pity, it's not charity, it's helping out a friend. And if one of us found ourselves in that much of a bind, i'm sure you'd at least consider doing the same. Hell, it's already happened once.

quoted for truth.

Sign me up, Play. I can't do much from this neck of the woods but offer my best wishes and a few bucks out of my pocket. I've said it before and I'll say it again - C-tech rocks and I'm proud to be a part of it.

:waveoz:

get some account details up and get the ball rolling.

Murgatroy
11-07-2006, 09:10 AM
Jan is good for me, I am sure I can get some time off.

Playfortoday
11-07-2006, 02:38 PM
Damn.:D

I January meet to fix my car? :hehe: We can freeze our asses off in my teenie 1 car garage and spoon to keep warm.(Actually, I can rent/buy a cheap kerosene heater so we can all get dizzy and smell like burned fuel). If more than a guy or maybe two at the most come up, my house will explode from capacity. Like I said earlier, finances are not all that great so I have 6 people crammed into a 900 sq.ft ranch. Hell, I'd find a way to fit all of you in, but you have to be OK with the spponing at night with your neighbor. My kids are going to shit(get a kick out of it) Just ask Jeremy how fast my daughter adopted him. I am all for people coming up though.

One thing is that Joel said he might be coming by in December. If that is the case, I will put him up for how ever long he will give me. Then, do what we can when I have him. The problem with Joel is that I would have to take leave without pay to be hear if it is not on the weekend. With my back and the shop failing(several last minutes moves to different locations to keep it afloat), I have ZERO days to take off until Jan 1. If Joel can do a weekend, and we get it done... I am golden, and then we can have a big meet instead.

Basically, if Joel can help me get on the road sooner, I will take it. But if he can't make it, I don't want to lose the help from all the rest of you burly men. How do we handle the unknowns.

Paging Joel to the thread!

Anyway, January is a great time for me too. If Joel can't make it for a weekend, January is on. I am sure he has weekend plans, so more than likely, you guys will be spooning.:)

Rob, it is not fear of the car. It is fear of the All-trac and my gimpy-ass body.;)

david in germany
11-07-2006, 03:09 PM
Man, lots of talk about spooning... kinda gives me the ebiegiebies...

Luni
11-07-2006, 04:59 PM
Well Play, I know it doesnt skeer Joel, and it definately doesnt skeer me.

Too bad we cant just get me and him there at the same time, you could spoon with your wife the whole time while me and him fixed your car for you :)

ciento44
11-07-2006, 05:25 PM
Tell me the date in january, and i'm there. I'll be happy to be tool bitch, i'll even do some boning up on the subject so i'm not a total n00b for you. :P

InitialD93
11-07-2006, 05:30 PM
first spooning now boning up... im gettin scared

ciento44
11-07-2006, 05:36 PM
first spooning now boning up... im gettin scared

:ghey:

LOLZ

"boning up," as in studying. :P :lolhittin :wiggle:

Murgatroy
11-07-2006, 06:56 PM
What a bunch of girls!

Are we car guys or what?

Playfortoday
11-07-2006, 07:48 PM
Jeremy just called and he can come between Jan 3 and Jan 18. It will most likely be one of those weekends if Joel doesn't come up. I haven't heard from him yet about his exact availability though.

As for helpers, my teenie garage will hold two or three people. I never thought I would have the issue of having too many people volunteer.:hehe: (Well, it will be too many people if this all logistically comes together.) Makes me warm and fuzzy. I will keep everyone posted on who is coming from where and when, then we can plan from there.

Thanks again, guys.:D

david in germany
11-07-2006, 08:45 PM
Play, make the list.
-Clutch Stock or after market?
-master cylinder stock or after market?
belts?
Tune up parts? NGK plugs? Wires?
Oil filter stock or aftermarket?
Let me know what you use or prefer..

sloceli
11-08-2006, 12:40 AM
Sorry for the late response the damn Navy has cut off my Celicatech access. Jay Jay Jay Jay Jay, ok sorry you said my name 1200 times so I figured I'll do the same. So My holiday stand down starts on Monday Dec 18th. If I could start my leave and fly out on the 15th than theres the weekend. As long as you have at least the tools mentioned in my post on page one then It shouldn't take more that 3-3.5 hours to drop the engine. If we do make this the plan I will bring out my $30 30mm socket to get the axles out. If all else fails I'll be more than happy to fix your car by myself and yes there will be lots of spooning.

I'll have to call my cousin and find out when he plans on making the Chicago to Peoria drive. I'm thinking that it will be sooner to Christmas considering his hectic internship schedule. So that should give us plenty of time to get the trac fixed.

All, I'm not trying to piss on you alls parade but remember that this is Jay's daily driver and the sooner its back on the road the better is for him and his family. Hell maybe there can be a post help Jay celicatech meet in Jan.

sloceli
11-08-2006, 01:28 AM
Well Play, I know it doesnt skeer Joel, and it definately doesnt skeer me.

Too bad we cant just get me and him there at the same time, you could spoon with your wife the whole time while me and him fixed your car for you :)

What happened to our plan? You know the one where we were going to meet in Idaho or Montana or where ever the hell it was then drive out to Chi-town. I'm still all for it.

Back on topic. Dave an after market clutch and PP are fine but we still need a stock TOB. For the most part our cars OE equipment is best. I seriously doubt his master cyl is bad but a new slave would be good. One problem with after market clutches is the stock slave piston doesn't force the pp far enough the from disc causing shifting and clutch problems. I'm not sure who make is but there is a longer piston available.

d1alltrac
11-08-2006, 02:04 AM
I'm not sure who make is but there is a longer piston available.

speed-source...

Good luck Play, seems like you already have all the help you need. :bigthumbu

alltracman78
11-08-2006, 02:33 PM
I think we already installed that when I was there last time.


ill have to buy Jeremy another ham and pinapple pizza, lol

yum :P

If some of you can make it out there before Jan, by all means.
I have no problem with someone else doing it.
Either way is fine with me. :)

Playfortoday
11-08-2006, 06:00 PM
Play, make the list.
-Clutch Stock or after market?
-master cylinder stock or after market?
belts?
Tune up parts? NGK plugs? Wires?
Oil filter stock or aftermarket?
Let me know what you use or prefer..

I talked to Luni about clutches as night. He said he wanted to research it a bit. My input is inline with Jeremy. A non-remanned stock disc and an uprated pressure plate. I plan to someday upgrade the turbo to a gt28rs, and I want to make sure i never have to recrack the tranny again. What I really care for most is that I don't end up with exploding(siezing... whatver) clutches like the Cluchmasters do; but I have heard negative stuff about almost every brand. I would want to buy a anftermarket disc and PP if I knew it wouldn't go boom. The thought that I have done 3 clutches in about 7000 miles makes me want to vomit.

I'll take Joe's advice on the master and slave. Hopefully, the master is good, and the slave is tired. So, I should probably get a new slave. Hopefully both are OK though. Less money for me to spend. Any pointers on testing it? And yes, I already put in the speedsource extended rod last May.

Belts are as old as the last clutch(new condition). And I did brand new plugs, wires, cap, and rotor less that 1K miles ago. Oil was changed 500 miles ago. I put so few miles on the car, I actually change the oil based on time rather than usage.:hehe: If I waited 2500 miles, I'd get an oil change every 1.5 years.:eek2:

The bulk of my expense with be the tools and cherry picker which I came up with a plan on how to get that. I am going to sell my Grp-A ecu and afm at a discounted prices just to get rid of it for the cash. That should cover the picker and other incidentals. My major fear is that we will find unexpected crap when we work on it, and the lack of the part(s) will kill my help window. However, I am savvy enough with my car that as long as we can physically mount the the engine and trans, I can handle the rest on my own. Hell, look the site I will use as a resource.:D

I know you are getting sick of this, but I have to say again that I am floored. You guys are awesome. I got a call from Dustin last night where we shot the shit and he offered to drive up from TN.:eek2: Fucking awesome. No matter who comes out, we WILL have a meet after this.

alltracman78
11-08-2006, 10:06 PM
If I'm the one that comes up, I have pretty much all the tools we will need [1 of each of course] aside from the cherrypicker of course.

Don't forget jack stands. I don't remember if you have them.

david in germany
11-08-2006, 10:12 PM
All if you would like to donate any funds for any of this please paypal them to admin@celicatech.com and note that it is for play. Luni will take care of getting what is needed with the money donated.

85gtsblackman
11-09-2006, 05:43 AM
play find a 3rd gen, trust me

this has been the 2nd cheapest car for me to maintain ever

esiest to work on

Luni
11-09-2006, 07:25 AM
Im honestly thinking a stock non-remanned disk with a good aftermarket PP (like a centerforce or spec or whatever...) with stock TOB is the way to go.

Play, how old are your rubber parts? Hoses and the such? Vacuum lines, thermostat, stuff like that.

Your expense bill is fairly low right now. If you dont have new vacuum lines, Id like to maybe get you a nice set of silicon lines and hoses.

You got T-bolt or constant tension hose clamps? Silicon couplers? Stuff like that?

I need to know inlet/outlet sizes on the turbo assembly for your intercooler and hoses so I can size clamps and stuff like that. Maybe even toy with the idea of a water injection kit to keep you from grenading this engine too.

We can take this far Play. If you have anything close to the turnout in donations as I did, you will be sitting pretty man.

sloceli
11-09-2006, 07:26 AM
Jay, this is looking better and better. I'm chatting with my moms, she's flying into Chicago from Japan on the 23rd. We will be renting a car then drive down to Peoria. Option 1 I fly in on the 18th or so and that would give us 5 days to get the car fixed. Option 2 I fly in on the 23rd rent the car with moms then drive back on the 28 or 29th. Then I would fly back here to Seattle on the 1st or 2nd. I Personally like option 1 better it would give more time the get it done. I know you cant take any time off from work which is fine I have no problem getting the brunt of the work done while you are at work. The few things I would need help with are the hood 5 min and the actual separation of the engine and tranny.

Luni
11-09-2006, 07:40 AM
Joel, Id totally do this with you, wed have it done in a day easy, but I cant take any more time off work man. I have no vacation time, and Im on action plan for my attendance. Im not in danger of losing my job, but I would be if I did this...

Thats why I cant :(

Sucks. Id like to have a hand in it, but Ill just have to meddle from afar and send shiny boxes of presents containing parts :)

Luni
11-09-2006, 07:44 AM
Joel, Im thinking you should also get the stuff needed to wire up some dummy lights for him. I want the TVSV and the TVIS lights in there for him. Im seriously considering getting him a water injection kit too.

Get me some info on that kit you bought.

I also think I want to get my aunt to make him a set of license plate frames that say something like "pwnt by CelicaTech.com" or "Powered by CelicaTech.com" or something snazzy like that :)

Maybe have her make like 10 sets or something and do a raffle. She owes me for helping her with her IT stuff over the phone all the time. Shed cut me a kickass deal.

andy
11-09-2006, 07:47 AM
hehe, added to the play fund! hope you get this thing runnin again man. no more asplodding clutches. ever....

Murgatroy
11-09-2006, 08:39 AM
I am not sure about being able to donate time now. Work is getting all asinine about not keeping ppl, so they are working those they have twice as hard. Makes sense no? I have helped the cause though. ;) Good luck brother.

sloceli
11-09-2006, 09:46 AM
Robb, that would be the shit if you could come out there and help, you and your big sexy man mussels would make this go a lot faster. You'll be playing Santa with your big shiny box to bad Jay is to far away and wont be able to sit on your lap and tell you everything he wants.

The led mod is only 4 bux and I can pick the leds up from radio shack before I go the airport. The water injection is going to be a little tougher. I spent $200 for my kit but they gave me the $300 kit. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Coolingmist-150-psi-Methanol-Water-Injection-Kit-Deluxe_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42604QQihZ002QQi temZ120049574732QQrdZ1
This is the kit I got less less the tank. Great people though.

Playfortoday
11-09-2006, 05:20 PM
I can't help but read this with a big smile on my face.:D I feel great because of this.

I saw your list of questions, Rob.

To answer, the hoses are mostly all original in my car. I have crappy hose clamps that cut up my hoses except for a couple t-bolt clamps (the only two being on each side of my custom intake.) On the compressor side of the turbo, I have a shitty stock clamp. I couldn't find a local place that carried the size I needed. I am sure that's common knowledge her though. If I need one hose more than any other in the entire world:), it would be the samco 51mm T-hose for my bolt on BOV. A $40-50 hose has not been within my budget since things took a shit financially, and t-clamps for it would be great too. The coupler between my intercooler and my TB is almost new, but the clamps are crap worm-types.

I trust your(Luni) idea on the clutch. Jeremy is also doing this set up so I feel comfortable with it.

Not sure on the thermostat. I think it was done with the new engine but who knows. This is something I can do if it breaks anyway.

As for the VSV light, I already have the J&S knockguard. The only thing I did not hook up to it is the boost retard feature. To do the VSV mod, all we would have to do is tap the led off the J&S input.

I have been throwing a code 52 intermittently. I think the knock sensor might be OK, but who knows. The back story is that I blew the knock sensor a while before I blew my engine. I ended up sourcing a used once for Chris K(i think) and gave it to my mechanic to install during my HG . He said that it didn't fit, and sourced one for me. That was a bif WTF moment for me, but the code stopped. I am thinkinking now that he might have flubbed something. I have a new block now, so whatever he did to the last sensor is on this one. I am not sure if it is bad or not, and I cannot get a good line of sight on it to confirm something is bad. I think and hpe it is just the wiring, and if so, that is a simple coax mod from what I hear. Not sure if this is worth addressing now.

Tha gas tank is leaking bad above 10 gallons. This is something I can do though.

One thing I would like to look at with some help is that I have battery issues in the winter. I have huge cabling run, a new yellow top, new starter and new alternator. As soon as it got cold, the car wouldn't starting. The cause has got to be something pulling voltage constantly, otherwise this is impossible after everything I did. I think that in the summer this is a moot issue because in the warmth the car has enough CCA, but the winter is another story. It might be the alarm/remote starter I put on it, but it could be a number of other things to. It has been an expensive process because the voltmeter showed problems at the other sources I replaced.:wtf:

That is all I can think of right now.

Joel, that is awesome! Looks like you will be the victi... err lucky guy to help me. This should be as much fun as it is torture;)

Luni
11-09-2006, 05:30 PM
I have a knock sensor, brand new, OEM from toyota Id donate to you Play. You and Joel can slap that on, and rewire it while its out of the car.

Easy stuff. Microphone cable from Radio Shack is what you use. Shielded microphone cable.

This KS is for a 93, but I dont think the PN changed at all.

Im calling todd right now to confirm this and get the ball rolling on your order.

Luni
11-09-2006, 05:58 PM
Jay, I need your shipping address in my PM box NOW!

Knock Sensor part number is the same. Im just going to send you what I have (brand new OEM sensor).

I have ordered a NON REMAN disk and TOB. Im ordering an ATS lower temp thermostat and I have some more stuff up my sleeve. I need your shipping address tho.

KoreanJoey
11-09-2006, 06:50 PM
I haven't even had the chance to donate yet...

ciento44
11-09-2006, 07:11 PM
I haven't even had the chance to donate yet...

Me neither... mine won't hit til the 17th. :(

Cavanagh
11-09-2006, 07:21 PM
I will be able to next thurs.

Playfortoday
11-09-2006, 08:56 PM
Holy crap! This is outrageous. I go to a couple meeting, and bam! I got stuff coming that I didn't even think of. I am sending a PM now. Thanks:)

mtp_69_i
11-09-2006, 09:42 PM
I put a few pennies in, should cover the ham and pinapple pizza :D

Luni
11-09-2006, 09:48 PM
Dude, this shit is going to be done RIGHT.

Ive got part numbers on all the rubber hoses for the coolant in the engine bay as well. I need to know if yours have ever been replaced. If theres a doubt, youre getting new ones.

david in germany
11-09-2006, 09:50 PM
I have a batch of Highpower blue LED's how many you need? I have the risistors for use with 12v also. let me know and they are in the mail.


The led mod is only 4 bux and I can pick the leds up from radio shack before I go the airport.

sloceli
11-09-2006, 10:26 PM
I haven't even had the chance to donate yet...

Well what the hell are you waiting for. The time it took you to respond to this thread could have been used to donate.

Luni
11-09-2006, 10:33 PM
Oh snap!

Idiot Stick
11-09-2006, 11:05 PM
Just reading this topic has given me the warm fuzzies. I'm glad I joined this community. Good luck guys.

Borinal
11-10-2006, 03:02 AM
blah blah you talk to much Jay, I thought that I was bad. I can't bring my attention span to read your posts but you know that I'm here-4-u that's really shitty luck. But I think that you are going to owe Luni and I some gooood road head when we come out to Chi-ka-gah. ;) MeOw!

KoreanJoey
11-10-2006, 03:27 AM
Depositing check into bank tomorrow...

Playfortoday
11-10-2006, 03:08 PM
blah blah you talk to much Jay, I thought that I was bad. I can't bring my attention span to read your posts but you know that I'm here-4-u that's really shitty luck. But I think that you are going to owe Luni and I some gooood road head when we come out to Chi-ka-gah. ;) MeOw!

I am so verbose, because it started as me just having to vent. I had a rough draft done of my for sale post. It was therapeutic. Then, it changed into this awesome thing, and I had to gush some more. I felt like I had to justify the help I was about to receive. I have never received a hand out my entire life (unless it was a free sampel of gum or tide with bleach). I didn't know how to react, and at first I felt updet and like a loser, but as I saw the genuine spirit of everyone who has come to help me, I started seeing it differently. Rob told me that if I felt good donating to others, just wait until I am on the other end of it. I didn't believe him, but now I do. I want to give everyone a big delicious beer and a hug for this. All the years that I helped out in the Celica community has come full circle. I never felt like I was owed anything because I enjoyed what I did, but this makes me a firm believer in Karma. It works both ways. People only remember the time they yelled at their mom, and shortly after, they stubbed and broke their pinky toe. In this case, I was flooded with help from great friends who have said I deserve this. It is hard to accept, but has gotten a lot easier as I receive calls and PM and read this thread. I am very lucky to be a part of this community.:D

Borinal, ;)


:hehe:

Playfortoday
11-10-2006, 03:11 PM
Dude, this shit is going to be done RIGHT.

Ive got part numbers on all the rubber hoses for the coolant in the engine bay as well. I need to know if yours have ever been replaced. If theres a doubt, youre getting new ones.

:D

I replied to your PM before I read your hose philosophy in this thread. I am not sure when all the other hoses were done except for the two I mentioned in the PM.

2kSnakEater
11-10-2006, 03:51 PM
Just sent a paypal, sorry play I wish I could of given more but thats all I have at the moment.

david in germany
11-10-2006, 05:17 PM
:owned: sorry dude, don't let him promise any.. He has a bad back and bending to the side and over the stick would put him out of the game... :hehe:
blah blah you talk to much Jay, I thought that I was bad. I can't bring my attention span to read your posts but you know that I'm here-4-u that's really shitty luck. But I think that you are going to owe Luni and I some gooood road head when we come out to Chi-ka-gah. ;) MeOw!

KoreanJoey
11-10-2006, 07:06 PM
:owned: sorry dude, don't let him promise any.. He has a bad back and bending to the side and over the stick would put him out of the game... :hehe:

As he has a spasm and bites off Lunis wang.

Playfortoday
11-11-2006, 12:42 AM
:hehe:

Thanks to everyone that donated. I want to have a list when this is over so I can at least do a little something for all of you when I have the mean$ to do it again.

Luni
11-11-2006, 01:00 AM
Ill have it.

I just located a spec stage2 pressure plate.

I believe that plate with a stock disk would hold 300-320hp.

What do you guys think about this? The spec stage2 clutch says it holds 405 ft lbs of torque.

KoreanJoey
11-11-2006, 01:08 AM
I don't see why won't work.

InitialD93
11-11-2006, 03:08 AM
SPEC good... yummy:bigthumbu

InitialD93
11-11-2006, 03:12 AM
sent my donation because it looks like the job is going to be done before i can even make it up there to work on it... loosers:thefinger







but u know i still love u:wiggle:

alltracman78
11-11-2006, 12:09 PM
Ill have it.

I just located a spec stage2 pressure plate.

I believe that plate with a stock disk would hold 300-320hp.

What do you guys think about this? The spec stage2 clutch says it holds 405 ft lbs of torque.

Well, Spec is what I have right now, which is broke.

I don't know for sure it' s just the disc, though that is my guess at this point.
I won't know until I tear it apart after Christmas...

However, that is my plan also.
I intend to use the PP and a stock disc.


One suggestion on the hose clamps.
I have some T clamps on mine now.
I also have some expensive SS hose clamps.
These are the ones that have rolled edges so as to not damamge the hose.

Personally, I prefer the hose clamps over my T clamps.
They take up less space and are easier to deal with.
If I was running 30 PSI, I might keep them.
But since I'm only running 16, and I don't see myself going over 20 any time in the next 5 years or so, I'm going back to the hose clamps.

So, my recomendation would be to at least take a look at them.
I'll post the link in a day or so, when I can dig it out [I'm at work right now].

Borinal
11-11-2006, 04:58 PM
I'm just giving you a hard time. I read it all. =)

Luni
11-11-2006, 05:38 PM
I dont necessarily like tbolt clamps too much, I like constant tension clamps.

That spec stage2 PP is only 125 shipped, a stock one runs around that much. I think Im gonna buy it.

Playfortoday
11-12-2006, 02:27 AM
:)

alltracman78
11-12-2006, 02:29 AM
:bird:

Luni
11-13-2006, 09:38 PM
Ball is rolling.

Pressure Plate has been purchased. Spec Stage2 PP. Its being shipped to Jay.

OEM Clutch disk and TOB are also on order too. w00t!

MCcelica
11-13-2006, 11:02 PM
My donation should be at Robs disposal tomorrow assuming the post office doesn't fuck up. It ain't much, but hope it helps some.

Blackcloud
11-14-2006, 01:46 AM
just donated some cash. knowing paypal it will take a few days to go through

ciento44
11-14-2006, 02:12 AM
Mailing a check on Wednesday. :)

Playfortoday
11-14-2006, 03:19 AM
Yay! Thanks to everyone who donated!!! I am happy as a pig in the poop. :D

Blackcloud
11-14-2006, 03:20 AM
happy as play in cat poop!

alltracman78
11-14-2006, 03:31 AM
Play is happier with dog pee on his shirt.....

:hehe:

KoreanJoey
11-14-2006, 03:32 AM
Play is happier with dog pee on his shirt.....

:hehe:

I'll call R Kelly.

Playfortoday
11-14-2006, 03:41 AM
:laugh:

JBfromoz
11-14-2006, 11:28 AM
I dont know any of you but from what i've read on this forum, there are hearts of gold in here. I know from personal experience what its like to have someone help you without any expectation of return. My best mate of over 20 years is just that kind of guy, my healey motor fuscked itself and long story short, he saved my bacon. now he has alzheimers and i get to repay the debt many times over.
this my future friends is what i like to call swings and roundabouts.
I am paypal equipped and feel this thread is just one of those suitable outlets for bux that could just as easily be pissed against a wall after a drinking binge.
Play if you would be so good as to PM me the paypal account I would feel honored to contribute to the cause
JB From OZ over *cssshhstt*

Playfortoday
11-14-2006, 05:27 PM
I dont know any of you but from what i've read on this forum, there are hearts of gold in here. I know from personal experience what its like to have someone help you without any expectation of return. My best mate of over 20 years is just that kind of guy, my healey motor fuscked itself and long story short, he saved my bacon. now he has alzheimers and i get to repay the debt many times over.
this my future friends is what i like to call swings and roundabouts.
I am paypal equipped and feel this thread is just one of those suitable outlets for bux that could just as easily be pissed against a wall after a drinking binge.
Play if you would be so good as to PM me the paypal account I would feel honored to contribute to the cause
JB From OZ over *cssshhstt*

Wow, man. I don't know what to say other than, Thank you very much. I am deeply touched by your gesture. I also see that you donated to the site too. Talk about generating positive Karma.:D

Welcome to the site. I think you will find everything you need here regarding Celicas. Thanks again.

Donations are being made to admin@celicatech.com . David said to notate that the donation is for me (Play) in the notes.

This place not only has great people, but attracts more of the same everyday.:)

MCcelica
11-15-2006, 05:14 PM
Luni, did that check get there yet? Cash it yo! I need to know how much I have left to do suspension with! :hehe:

Luni
11-15-2006, 05:45 PM
Oh yeah I got it.

Sorry man havent had a chance to ge to the bank to cash it.

Ill do it today at lunch k00?

Benny_gustavson
11-15-2006, 06:50 PM
Just finished reading this thread, Just got to say that you guys is awesome (think it spells that way;)) Really hopes that everything works out for you Play.
Started upp a paypal account right now so should be avaible te help you in 3-4 days according to paypal.

GREAT WORK EVERYONE

Playfortoday
11-15-2006, 06:54 PM
It has definitely gone international now. Thanks Benny!

We got a couple aussies in this thread already too. I can't say it enough... You guys rock!:D

MCcelica
11-15-2006, 10:54 PM
Oh yeah I got it.

Sorry man havent had a chance to ge to the bank to cash it.

Ill do it today at lunch k00?

Sounds good mang.

alltracman78
11-17-2006, 01:08 AM
One suggestion on the hose clamps.
I have some T clamps on mine now.
I also have some expensive SS hose clamps.
These are the ones that have rolled edges so as to not damamge the hose.

Personally, I prefer the hose clamps over my T clamps.
They take up less space and are easier to deal with.
If I was running 30 PSI, I might keep them.
But since I'm only running 16, and I don't see myself going over 20 any time in the next 5 years or so, I'm going back to the hose clamps.

So, my recomendation would be to at least take a look at them.
I'll post the link in a day or so, when I can dig it out [I'm at work right now].

Here are the hose clamps I have.

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=1718&familyName=AWAB+316+Stainless+Steel+Hose+Clamps&history=n6wgsndj%7Cother%7CfreeText%7Ehose%2Bclamp s%5Epage%7EGRID

I am VERY satisfied with them.
One word of caution however.
You need to tighten them more than a normal hose clamp. These do not eat into the hose, and as such are not as tight under the same force.
If you use them, make SURE to double check ALL the clamps once you have run your engine for a bit. I learned this the hard way. :D

And one more thing, just so you guys know.
ALL stainless steel will rust to some extent. The more carbon in steel, the more it will rust[generalization for those of you that know your stuff].
SS grade 316 is the most rust resistant alloy that is readily available. Which is why I spent the extra bit.

I also used SS316 for all my small bolts/nuts.
Such as ground points, brackets under the chassis [especially the rust prone areas like brake line brackets, gas tank straps, ect.

I would not suggest using them on heavy load bearing parts however, such as suspension. Being SS they are not as strong as high grade regular steel.

alltracman78
11-17-2006, 01:15 AM
Oh, and Jay, I'll send you the T clamps I have if you want them.
Once I get my fat order. :D

I have to do some measuring tomorrow.

Luni
11-17-2006, 05:43 PM
So far we have new OEM disk and TOB, spec stage2 PP, ATS thermostat, various rad/coolant hoses/clamps, and a few other odds and ends for a grand total of!!

348 before the knock sensor and possibly flywheel. (assuming his flywheel and knock sensor are good).

Donations grand total is 191.

Murgatroy
11-17-2006, 06:28 PM
$200 is not half shabby, I would have thought we donated more than that though. Slackers! I didn't make the biggest doantion did I? :hehe:

ciento44
11-17-2006, 06:57 PM
I'm waiting on my paycheck to clear, and then you'll be getting some more shortly. :)

Benny_gustavson
11-17-2006, 07:48 PM
Would like som help from either Luni or Play please,

Playfortoday
11-17-2006, 08:16 PM
How can we help?

Luni
11-17-2006, 08:43 PM
Would like som help from either Luni or Play please,


Whats up?

Benny_gustavson
11-17-2006, 09:59 PM
I sent you a PM Luni

KoreanJoey
11-17-2006, 11:55 PM
Donation sent... finally... sorry about being late on that stuff guys.

Luni
11-18-2006, 12:55 AM
I answered Benny.

Benny_gustavson
11-18-2006, 08:18 AM
Thanks for the help Luni, Donation is on its way,

Luni
11-18-2006, 08:33 PM
No sir. Thank YOU for the help.

Youre the man.

All of you guys are :)

Thx for yours too Joey :)

MCcelica
11-18-2006, 09:49 PM
What's the total at now Luni?

KoreanJoey
11-19-2006, 03:01 AM
I <3 Play, I <3 CTech,

I don't know how many times you guys have helped me with all the information on the forum and 1sloceli has helped me in person numerous times and taught me a lot about the electrical part of the celica (although I'm still pretty retarded on that part). Unfortunately this is my Ctech donation until some more work gets done.

:( Sorry Ctech.

david in germany
11-19-2006, 12:35 PM
Luni, Please keep a list of people that donate so we can do the Icon and other stuff.

Luni
11-19-2006, 06:28 PM
Oh Ive got it all in my paypal.

The total?

Uum.. its at...

Im not sure, I just woke up.

Account has like 98 dollars in it, its all from donations, Ive spent 125 on a pressure plate and 38 on that thermostat and it was paid for by paypal, so I think donations are at 260, plus a check I got for 35 in the mail, so its at 295 or so.

Yeah, roughly 295. We are getting there :)

Playfortoday
11-19-2006, 07:13 PM
Wow. Hey, I was out with an old grade school friend just walking through the magnificent mile looking at all the decorations. I checked back in here to continue my thanks to new donators, and to say that when I got back last night, I had stuff waiting for me...

A bright and shiney Spec Stage 2 PP and an ATS 170 degree thermostat. So pretty! :) So if you want to see your donations coming to fruition, they have already begun. I have stuff here! It is awesome to see this coming together. I will post a picture a little later when my wife finishes working from home for the day.(Talk about an A-Type personality. It's Sunday, and she is doing two personnel reviews. Why god why? Maybe she needs to keep busy to keep her mind off Luni.;))

MightyAl
11-20-2006, 12:57 AM
I just donated. It aint much but I felt it would be good for karma :hehe: . I feel your pain Play. I owned a performance shop for 3 years and had it slip away. Mostly from the idiots I chose to do business with. It has been another year since I closed things up and I am nearly out of the woods. I hope things turn around for you soon.

Playfortoday
11-20-2006, 02:30 AM
Thanks for the donation and kind words.:) I am working on the recovery part too, but I just had too many things hit at once. I just started talking to a CCC service. My bills won't be any less with them, but the crook credit card companys with have to lower my interest.

I'll depart this info to you guys not for a sap factor, but so you don't get screwed too...

I have not used credit cards in almost three years, I have never made a late payment, and I am not over the limits, but credit cards now penalize you for carying too high of a balance. So, since I used their card as they wanted me too at a low interest rate on all of them, I am now at almost 30% interest on 4 cards. That is predatory lending and legal loan sharking. There will be reforms since most of America is fallinginto the same trap. Put it this way... how many new atm and branch locations have you seen open in the last few years? People don't have more money to put in banks. It is the huge rates and fees (Up to $39 on most late fees now) that is paying for all their new stuff.) Kids, if you ever get a card that says a guaranteed 9.9% fixed for LIFE, just remember that that rate is only good until the company changes its card member agreement. They can change it at any time, and you cannot. Something wrong there.;) I have been in the credit industry for almost 9 years and though I knew it all. Protect yourself, get no more than two cards, and never go over 75% of your available limit, or they will fuck you over.

KoreanJoey
11-20-2006, 04:21 AM
Hey one thing to note because I don't know if the CCC told you but Consolidation is viewed by many Lenders as a Chapter 13 bankruptcy (not as bad as 7 but still) and if you're going to go through that process I'd see about just going Chpt 13 all together.

Playfortoday
11-20-2006, 04:44 AM
It all depends on the scoring model of the individual lenders. CCC is not a mandatory seven year blemish either, so it is better. The way I see it is that my credit score is trashed already, and I have never missed a payment. Fancy that. I just stopped caring recently. They can all fly a kite. I have paid my debt three times over now, yet I owe about the same as I did years and years ago. They made it so I couldn't win. Funny thing... I am still to this day pay for the first three times my All-trac broke on one of my cards.

mtp_69_i
11-20-2006, 08:34 AM
just to add to these stories of woe.

I was driving thursday night home from a long day at uni taking things very easy. Had just gotten through a traffic intersection when I realise the car in front is hard on the brakes and has hit the car in front of it. I also jumped on the brakes but was too slow about it and hit the car in front of me at about 30km/ph (roughly - it's a 50km zone and I'd slowed down a little for the traffic as it was). Luckily (i guess) there isn't a scratch on the celica. Not one scratch. The car in front (1990 Honda integra) has a broken bumper and pushed the "beaver panel" in a little. We exchanged details (23 yr old girl with her brother in the passanger side) and left. Thing is from that damage I thought, meh can't be more than $1000 to fix including painting etc. So I didn't report it (if under 1000 here in Oz then no report). I msg'd her the next day about sorting it out and got no response. Then today (monday) her brother rings me up and says he's taking it to the crash repair for a quote. I said I'd go too so they could look at both cars and work out how much damage I did etc.

The repaired quotes me $1400 + parts (so roughly $2000!!!) it seems the floor of the boot has been pushed in about 3 -4 inches as well as the damage to the bumper and "beaver panel".

I'm feeling pretty shit right now. I'm sposed to be saving up for a wedding, I just spent about a grand on the car doing shocks, springs, tyres and brakes and now this bloke wants money for his dinged up honda. I just reported it to the cops so atleast they know.

I'm uninsured, she's 23 with third party property. I'm trying to get her insurance details so I can find out if that also covers her for damage to her when it isn't her fault. There's no way i'll pay 2K for the car. It's not even worth $1000 traded in and she damaged the front before I even hit her.

so stressed.

sorry for the hijack, and for the stupid long post.

david in germany
11-20-2006, 03:06 PM
Dude, uninsured? she can take you to the cleaners... NEVER drive uninsured..

mtp_69_i
11-21-2006, 12:04 AM
funny crap, a bunch of developments but I'm not going to jack the thread anymore.

Hope it's all working out for you Play. Luni and the rest of the boys are doing a top job :bigthumb:

Playfortoday
11-22-2006, 02:36 AM
Update: I got another box yesterday! In it was a shiny, new assortment of coolant hoses, a TO bearing, and a new OE clutch disc. There are a few more things to get before Jeremy comes out, but the account has been tapped to empty, and Rob is now paying out of pocket for the remainder of my needed parts. I can't let that happen. I am not asking for more donations either. I am still counting my blessings from this whole thing and wouldn't think of it. I am very lucky and in debt to all of you as it is and cannot ask for more. I'd rather lose a testicle.

I have been thinking of ways to come up with more cash, and the easiest way is to sell off some of the stuff I have been collecting to build up my car. I am putting up two of my prized(but not critical to keep my car running) parts and one or two other things.

The first is my Grp-A ECU and AFM. I tried to sell this a while ago, but was talked out of it and into finally going ahead with the install. ECUs and AFMs are the least of my concerns now. This is a "matching pair" and came from Justen's twin turbo V8 Grp-A ST185. I will let it go for $350 shipped to anyone in the states. This is a very rare ECU/AFM and will compliment any total RC/CS/GRP-A conversion project. Here is a link to the original sale thread that flopped:( http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19982

The next one stings since this is a mod I got out of my paranoia of not ever having to crack open my engine again. Kind of funny, this one. I didn't hurt my motor this time. I had my clutch blow, which still equals an engine pull.:hehe: If they had a J&S Clutchguard, I'd be the first in line to get one... So, up for sale is my J&S Ultra Safeguard Individual Cylinder Knock Control unit (version 1 where as it uses a map sensor that is built in rather than using the vehicles own map sensor). I don't want to part with it, but I can always turn down the boost until my bank account recovers. This is a cool little piggy back that reads the knock sensor signal for each cylinder, then based on knock data, "the system detects the onset of detonation and retards the timing on a per cylinder basis. A mode switch lets you select a maximum of either ten degrees or twenty degrees of knock retard. In the ten degree range, the unit retards one, two, or three degrees per ping. Double that for the twenty degree range." It also can control boost retard. It also includes the dual monitor guage which visually displays knock activity in each cylinder and it has a two setting Air Fuel Ratio display(less annoying than the autometer style, because it is tiny and has a photo sensor to dim at night.) Joel has dibs if he wants it, but otherwise it is up for grabs. I paid $430 shipped and would like to stay close to even. I have had it less than a year. Here is link to when I bought it: http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=169466

Next, I have a car bra. Brand new in the box 1992-1993 Toyota Celica GT-S and All-trac Colgan Original Car Bra in their Carbon Fiber Style Finish. I was asking 100-115 shipped. Just make an offer. $80 obo shipped. I can't go much lower.

Next, an MR2 (works on any 2nd gen 3sgtw) Turbo Pressure Sensor. I had it hooked up recently and it works fine. I was saving it for when my current one went bad since they are so expensive new and diffeicult to source used. This one has the orange sticker indicative of the MR2(the celica one is green). I am not sure what I paid and will post a price tomorrow if I can get ahold of Toyota_Todd. If you know, make an offer before then.

Next, a stock TMIC. We all know they are not worth much, but I'll take any reasonable offer. Asking $40 plus shipping.

I will check for more stuff this weekend. I am sure there is more like stock corners and turns, rear usdm corner lenses... etc.

If this is offensive to anyone or seems like an abuse of my admin position, please let me know and I will take it down, but I am hoping it will fit into the nature of this thread.:) All money raised will go into the admin@celicatech.com paypal account to help reimburse Rob and for any other incidentals and parts we determine I need. Thanks guys.

Edit: These go on ebay soon. I have no choice, but I wanted you guys to have first dibs on the cooler electronic stuff.

Luni
11-22-2006, 03:39 AM
Dont sell the J&S

Sell the other shit but keep the J&S.

Playfortoday
11-22-2006, 03:45 AM
If no one takes the other stuff, I don't have much choice.

02celica
11-22-2006, 03:45 AM
i like the site.. just wished there were more 7th gens :)

KoreanJoey
11-22-2006, 03:57 AM
Well bring more 7th gens over.

Luni
11-22-2006, 08:24 PM
Play, dont sell your J&S

As far as safety is concerned, its about 6s whether it or a water injection system is better.

Dont sell the J&S dude. You got a kickass deal on it, you wont find one for that price again anytime soon.

Id sooner sell my EBC than my J&S if I had one.

Oh and 02celica, I have a 7th gen too w00t!

david in germany
11-22-2006, 09:52 PM
Play don't sell your gear to cover this. Luni, PM me the balance due. k?

KoreanJoey
11-22-2006, 10:59 PM
Give me a week and I'll donate somemore.

ciento44
11-22-2006, 11:11 PM
Jay, don't sell the J&S.

My last paycheck got mostly jacked by the GT, but i am mailing a larger one here shortly, so that should help a bit. You aren't at the point yet where you need to sell that.

I do apologize for the delay, but it will hit December 1st at the latest. I just need to wait until my incentive pay sheet comes through to see what exactly i can spare. :) Should be Monday that it hits my desk.

Playfortoday
11-23-2006, 12:55 AM
Guys, the point was not to solicit more money! I feel awkward enough as it is. I just don't want Luni having to dig deep for me. I want to put in some too. I guess I can keep the J&S with that many people telling me to hang on to it, but the other stuff can go; but I was thinking swapping the J&S for a water injection kit would cover me just as well for cheaper, then I could turn over the difference for more parts. The rest of the stuff listed is just taking up space in my garage.

Regarding the ECU and AFM... I am surprised that no one has been interested in it. I have had listed it at a higher price in the past with no bites. Now it is a steal. Less than what I paid. I am going to put in up on ebay in a day or two if no one here wants it.

Thanks again guys. David, I don't know what you are up to, but don't make me break out the pythons on you.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/Playfortoday/Joke/argh_grow.gif

ciento44
11-23-2006, 01:33 AM
I think we know that you didn't mean to solicit more money...

I was just saying that my donation hasn't come through yet. :P

And for the delay, i'm going to send a little bit more. :)

sloceli
11-23-2006, 01:46 AM
Jay, keep the J&S. After our 4-way last week I was thinking I couldn't bring myself to take your J&S even if I bought you a WI kit. I don't have a problem forking out more cash if need be. My ticket out there is going to be free thanks to my family.

Robb, if we need more cash let me know. I can sell some of my left over parts from the swap.

Playfortoday
11-23-2006, 02:03 AM
If I could have sex with guys without really having sex with you guys, I would. :hehe: (I think I just heard people pulling donations after that.:laugh:) Thanks for all your help. I still can't believe it. :D

If anyone knows of anyone that want the GRP-A stuff, please let me know! Also, what comes arounds goes around. When I get back on my feet, and I giving it back as I can when other people are in my shoes.

david in germany
11-23-2006, 09:13 AM
When I get back on my feet, and I giving it back as I can when other people are in my shoes.
That my friend is all we want! I would work on your sentence structure though... :lolhittin

KoreanJoey
11-23-2006, 10:51 AM
That my friend is all we want! I would work on your sentence structure though... :lolhittin

Like manufature us some Camber plates...

david in germany
11-23-2006, 12:34 PM
Camber bolts for $12 a Pair on rockauto.com :)

KoreanJoey
11-23-2006, 12:47 PM
I think I did write camber plates, as in adjustable for camber and caster... IE will allow more than 1.5 degrees of camber.

david in germany
12-01-2006, 05:25 PM
bump

alltracman78
12-01-2006, 05:30 PM
For what?
This place sucks......

























:hehe:

david in germany
12-01-2006, 05:42 PM
for stupid remarks like the dude that posted above... lol
Missed you too mang!

alltracman78
12-01-2006, 10:51 PM
:d

mtp_69_i
12-02-2006, 08:15 AM
grind

sloceli
12-05-2006, 03:43 AM
Its official, got my plane tickets today will be arriving in Chicago on the 15th at 9:02 pm.

sloceli
12-05-2006, 04:07 AM
After our little chat we had Jay I went out for some beer and a joy ride. I was in 2nd gear and gave it about 75% throttle and nothing, yep thats right my clutch is starting to slip.

Playfortoday
12-05-2006, 02:22 PM
Its official, got my plane tickets today will be arriving in Chicago on the 15th at 9:02 pm.

I will be sending my entourage of limos to pick you up. Do you prefer Cristal or Hennessey? and your ho's balck, white, or brown?

(PS. Is it 9:02 or 9:52?)

(PPS. Sucks about the clutch. I'd figure all this good Karma would prevent shit like his from happening to you. I mean I have used all the bad karma up recently. There should not be any left. My car, my harddrive, and now my wife just called, and she hit black ice and hit a pole today. More money needed that I do no have. If it wasn't for the kindness showed in this thread, I would have lost my faith, and starting polishing my gun collection.:))

sloceli
12-06-2006, 03:43 AM
Flights coming in at 9:02, and remember I just got divorced so I'll take one of each of the girls listed above. Have the garage warm and the alcohol waiting cuz were pulling an all nighter with the occasional spooning break of course.

That sucks about the other car I hope wifey's ok.

KoreanJoey
12-06-2006, 08:09 AM
Have the garage warm and the alcohol waiting cuz were pulling an all nighter with the occasional spooning break of course.

Ew.... Joel wants to spoon w/ you...

Oh, and more money in Paypal for ya.

Playfortoday
12-06-2006, 04:39 PM
:D to spooning and KJ.

Playfortoday
12-08-2006, 06:05 AM
OK Guys, I have a shopping list left to make sure Joel and I can get this done. I also have four kids to take care of for Christmas, so things are tight and I need a little more fundage. I am not asking for more donations though!!!

What this post is for is more or less a status update and a pointer to an Ebay auction I just put up. If you didn't want to donate during all this ruckus, I totally understand; but how about buying a really cool and rare upgrade for your 3SGTE? If anything, you can squirrel it away and turn it over later for a profit as my Grp A's die. All proceeds will go to my clutch fund to get the rest of the stuff I need. This is something for something rather than giving away your hard earned cash.

Grp A ECU and AFM with harnesses! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=001&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=110066062295&rd=1&rd=1)

Thanks for looking, and a huge thanks to all who have donated so far! You cannot begin to fathom how much you have helped me out.

david in germany
12-08-2006, 06:35 AM
On behalf of the other Ctech members I would like to formaly request pictures of some of the gear that you recieved. Also on behalf of most of the members here we would like to informaly request more pics of Mrs. Playfortoday for future reference.
Play when this goes down I would really appreciate you doing a pictorial with one of your beloved writeups :) It would truly have been an honor if I could have joined up with you and the guys on this one but even if I did, my skills cower to the skills of some of those that will be in attendance.

The team, no better FAMILY that is within the pages of this forum and community is better than some people expirenced comming from their own blood relatives at times.

Keep it up guys. Those of you that donated to this, Karma will repay you one day ten fold. I truly hopeand believe in the future that this site will continue to grow in this direction and the other admin and mods will strive to keep this place growing in the direction that you all have helped to push it to.
Thank you all for your support.
David

KoreanJoey
12-08-2006, 08:07 AM
I am not asking for more donations though!!!!

Damnit, now you tell me after I put up more money. And let me just tell you, you can make enough money for the track and christmas stuff w/ wife nudes. :)

Playfortoday
12-08-2006, 03:08 PM
Damnit, now you tell me after I put up more money. And let me just tell you, you can make enough money for the track and christmas stuff w/ wife nudes. :)

Actually, KJ, to be honest every little bit helps a lot. I added that disclaimer to my post, because I did not want people to think I was soliciting more donations.

Maybe it is just me, but I think receiving charity is bad. It makes me feel good to know others like me enough to help, but at the same time, it makes me feel like a failure in that I failed to support myself. Does that make sense?... When you get help from people, no matter how kind and selfless the givers are, it makes me feel vulnerable to character judgements and other bad stuff. I feels great, but at the same time, it feels kind of bad.

I have to be really careful, when I post updates and and have to say I still don't have everything I need. That can be viewed as me asking for more money even after people donated to the cause already. It might make them think I am not grateful. The thing is that I am super grateful. Think of Oliver Twist... He was in an orphanage and was dependent of the State for everything. When he asked for more food, the dude dishing it out shit himself, because he couldn't believe that Oliver had to balls to ask for seconds when he already was lucky enough to get a first helping. Make sense? Kind of a gay example, but it fit the way I feel best.

The bottom line is that I have one more week to go before Joel gets here to help me install the clutch, and I still do not have enough money to buy everything we need. I really need these things to sell on ebay, because I will be damned if I have to ask for more money from someone.

And David,

Don't worry man. There will be a full write up with pictures. It is the least I can do to show my appreciation, and so that people can see that their donations helped something really cool transpire. I am also asking my wife to drop in on Joel and me from time to time to take candids, because the last thing everyone wants to see in 20 posed shot of boring-goodness. As for wifey pictures, well I already supplied those once.;) The only thing I am trying to figure out is if I should do a daily update of if I should save it all up, and spend the time to do it up in a narrative style or something similar.

Hookecho
12-08-2006, 04:08 PM
daily updates would be cool. sort of like a c-tech sitcom. also, i would be more than glad to donate to the cause. there are alot good people here!

2kSnakEater
12-08-2006, 04:18 PM
I would like to donate so much more, Im sorry that I cant play :(

Playfortoday
12-08-2006, 08:10 PM
Thanks guys. To anyone who is still interested, paypal to admin@celicatech.com

Also, like blinking CEL light that donators got for donating to luni's cause a couple years ago, I am making a another one that has a clutch and a kitty(you know it's all about the kitties!)

KoreanJoey
12-08-2006, 10:17 PM
Man... why don't I have a trophy thingy for donating to Ctech? Luni... you suck.

KoreanJoey
12-11-2006, 03:20 AM
Yay my icon!