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maxaud
09-15-2006, 11:19 PM
took some pictures of my new car.
anyone wanna try and make me a signature out of 'em?
The car is completely stock except for a Blitz Turbo Timer which says electronic tuning system, can it do other stuff then just keep the car running longer to cool down?
It has 78k miles on the clock.
I might try to take off the speed limiter and maybe a couple other things, but other then that It'll probably stay stock.
It came w/ an extra set of OZ wheels which I think might already be sold.
what do you guys think I should get my license plate to say?
any other questions or comments feel free to ask.
take care.
pics as follows:
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Stinger
09-16-2006, 12:03 AM
Hey

Awesome RC man! Congrads on the purchase, you will love it :bowdown: Did you import that into the US?

I need to find some of those front lights for my RC :D

maxaud
09-16-2006, 12:10 AM
yeah, thanks. It was imported here. I belive it to be only one of two, maybe three here, and the only street legal one. Every one always wanst the foglights it seems. Maybe I'll pull them off and get the part numbers :)

GT4SOM
09-16-2006, 12:44 AM
I <3 you! Sell me your car!! Will sell both swaps for your RC!!

extremeskillz
09-16-2006, 12:59 AM
really nice. nice purchase. how did you import it?

Slider
09-16-2006, 03:47 AM
Nice :bowdown:

If you get it polished it would get rid of those swirlmarks.

maxaud
09-16-2006, 06:46 AM
thanks. It was import'd by the Department of Defense and is titled as an All-trac

Cavanagh
09-16-2006, 06:48 AM
:drool: absolutley awesome....i live 1 1/2 hrs away. i may have to go down to STL and take a 1st person gander. :) Ya how did u import that bad boy? what it difficult?

Blackcloud
09-16-2006, 06:52 AM
sweet

maxaud
09-16-2006, 06:55 AM
well... sadly I'm no longer in St Louis. I'm about 1800 miles away now in Idaho. I just stop'd and stay'd at Scott AFB for the night w/ a friend. :( Your welcome to still stop by though.

maxaud
09-16-2006, 06:57 AM
sweet

wait... you live in Idaho... where at? your signature says Bulldog... I went to Sandpoint High which is Bulldogs. We don't live in the same small city of 5k people do we?

MCcelica
09-16-2006, 07:10 AM
K. Noob question alert. What's the diff between a GT4 and a RC? Is RC for Rally Cross or what?

maxaud
09-16-2006, 07:20 AM
the 5th gen celicas came in many different versions:
AT180 ST, ST-i
ST182 2.0 GT-i 16 Cabriolet
ST183 Active Sports
ST182 GT-R
ST183 GT-R (4ws)
ST182 Z-R
ST183 Z-R (4ws)
ST182 S-R
ST183 S-R (4ws)
ST184 GT, GT-S, SX
ST185 All-Trac, GT-Four
ST185H GT-four RC/ Carlos Sainz
ST185A GT-four group A

I have the RC model which is the same as the Carlos Sainz (though not considered a 'signature edition')
It's ment to be a rally car

burnyd
09-16-2006, 07:33 AM
yeah, thanks. It was imported here. I belive it to be only one of two, maybe three here, and the only street legal one. Every one always wanst the foglights it seems. Maybe I'll pull them off and get the part numbers :)


1 of 2 yes... the red one the guy lives here in pa its pretty cool but he hasnt been able to get his regged or plates. I wonder how the other guy you bought it off of did?

maxaud
09-16-2006, 07:53 AM
1 of 2 yes... the red one the guy lives here in pa its pretty cool but he hasnt been able to get his regged or plates. I wonder how the other guy you bought it off of did?

your talking about Chris right (AKA illgt4 on the boards)? works at that motorsports place? He's a nice guy. There may be more, but no one has come out and said anything about them for a very long time if they do. I think the guy I bought mine off of had a friend at the DMV

burnyd
09-16-2006, 08:24 AM
^^ Yupp..... that would be him. He only uses it for autox.

GRUMPY514
09-16-2006, 05:23 PM
Thats a damn shame. SO how much did you end up spending on it out the door basically meaning.

To your driveway with cost of car + import fees and what not.

How much was import fees and how much was the cost of the car?

Did you buy it off a website? How long did it take to arrive?

Think a lot of people would love to know the answers to these questions as I would also.

:) Hott car.

maxaud
09-16-2006, 07:35 PM
Thats a damn shame. SO how much did you end up spending on it out the door basically meaning.

To your driveway with cost of car + import fees and what not.

How much was import fees and how much was the cost of the car?

Did you buy it off a website? How long did it take to arrive?

Think a lot of people would love to know the answers to these questions as I would also.

:) Hott car.

The car was already Imported when I found it. The guy that imported it was military and had a friend in Japan that check'd it out and arranged the shipping. It was imported in 2002. The guy then swap'd all the body panels over from an All-trac so they were DOT approved. Once it was titled and registered he swap'd the panels back over.

The car is titled as a '91 All-trac due to the production date which was in '91, even though it wasn't released until '92, and has '92 body stylings (ex: lights emblems)

I spent $8500 for the car, $188 on a plane ticket and $315 for premium gas for the 2700 mile drive to my house. that's a total of $9003+ $ for food and such, I had friends houses to stay at the whole way so I didn't have to pay for housing.

I think that's not a bad price to pay for a car as rare as this, 78k miles (126k milometers) on the clock, awd, turbo, RHD, mint interior, close to mint exterior.

The car was advertised on alltrac.net one day before I jump'd on it; though I didn't have the money for it at the time which is usually not how I approach a seller, but it was an RC and I couldn't pass it up. so I made a $1000 deposit with the option to buy for the remaining ammount in the next 3 months. So I sold a couple of my other cars (All-trac and Toyota Pickup) and went and pick'd her up.

Morwan
09-17-2006, 07:17 AM
K. Noob question alert. What's the diff between a GT4 and a RC? Is RC for Rally Cross or what?

Yeah, the RC has a lot of improvements on the regular GT-Four (orignal thread (http://celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10961):

The Turbo 4WD Carlos Sainz is instantly recognisable from its redesigned front bumper and air dam which not only looks very purposeful, but also allows adequate cooling air to reach the water and oil radiators. Front fog lights (standard on the GT-Four) are not fitted. The bonnet is also a new body pressing with a small air inlet specifically to cool the engine timing belt and three separate air outlet ducts designed to evacuate hot air from the engine compartment. At the rear, the bumper has also been redesigned to reduce weight and there are small change to the rear light clusters.

The 3S-GTE 2.0-litre engine with 16 valves and twin overhead camshafts is largely unchanged, but the turbocharger now features a water (instead of air) cooled intercooler increasing power from 201 to 205 bhp at 6000 rpm. To improve heat dissipation in the valve area next to the valve seat, the 3S-GTE cylinder head uses the world's first laser-clad seats. Welded by laser beam, the one-piece structure allows heat to dissipate more evenly. Although peak torque remains the same at 203 lb ft, the characteristics have changed to give a much flatter torque curve for even better mid-range performance. As a further aid to engine cooling, the electronic radiator fan power has been increased from 120 watts to 160 watts.

Underneath, the oil sump protector has been redesigned to save more weight and is now welded to the chassis centre member. In a further effort to reduce weight, the exhaust system is not fitted with a dynamic damper and the rear exhaust silencer has been changed to reduce pressure loss and add a sportier exhaust note. Noise, vibration and harshness have been reduced though, by fitting a dynamic damper to the central prop shaft of the four wheel drive transmission system.

To make for even quicker gear changes, the clutch stroke has been reduced from 145 mm to 125 mm and the gear lever throw has been reduced from 68 mm to 55 mm.

The Celica GT-Four already has a fine reputation for stability, exceptional grip and outstanding handling but, for the Carlos Sainz version, the suspension came under renewed scrutiny. MacPherson struts are retained front and rear but the dampers are new and reduce friction. At the front, Vorlauf geometry is used, the kingpin offset is reduced and the lower L arms are anchored to a front chassis member for greater rigidity. There is now greater negative camber at the rear and the dampers include valves which allow them to effectively damp even very low velocity wheel shocks. Straight line stability, cornering and handling characteristics are all improved by these apparently small but important changes.

Elsewhere, the rigidity of the steering column has been increased with a new rubber coupling on the intermediate shaft. The centre differential of the 4WD transmission now incorporates a viscous coupling, and a torque sensing (Torsen) LSD continues to be used at the rear. This LSD consists of two worm gears and six worm gears with spur gears on them. These use gear friction to create bias and, with a higher bias than conventional LSDs, the time lag is shorter. Not only does the Torsen differential split torque left and right, but it makes it possible for accomplished drivers to control the torque split with adroit use of the accelerator.

Further improvements to the transmission include triple cone synchro on second gear and double cone synchro on third for improved durability and ease of shifting. Inside, the Celica Turbo 4WD Carlos Sainz is identified by a special numbered plaque on the centre console bearing Sainz's signature. The steering wheel has a thicker leather cover, and the shorter throw gear lever and knob are a new design. New cloth trim is practical as well as sporty, and a coin slot on the console is convenient for loose change.

maxaud
09-17-2006, 08:33 AM
that's some pretty good info, thanks for posting.

Though the CS and RC are different in some ways, as mine doesn't have a sun-roof and most Japanese cars have a speed limiter at 110mph, and some other small things.. The mpg on that page seems a little off, the best I have ever gotton on all 3 of my Celica awd turbo's is 26mpg (if that). RC is 235ps=231hp

Cavanagh
09-17-2006, 08:47 AM
heh, its a little too far away now...

maxaud
09-18-2006, 05:41 AM
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/dempsey__007/st185rc/DSCF1040.jpg
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'90 CeLicA Aus
09-18-2006, 05:48 AM
The guy then swap'd all the body panels over from an All-trac so they were DOT approved. Once it was titled and registered he swap'd the panels back over.
Why couldn't you just register it normally?

90CelicaST
09-18-2006, 05:50 PM
The car was already Imported when I found it. The guy that imported it was military and had a friend in Japan that check'd it out and arranged the shipping. It was imported in 2002. The guy then swap'd all the body panels over from an All-trac so they were DOT approved. Once it was titled and registered he swap'd the panels back over.
Do you have more information on this? It is very interesting that he did this and got away with it. Very nice RC as well, all she needs is a nice clean up :bigthumbu

Hugo4
09-19-2006, 06:09 AM
That is a nice purchase. I give you a big :bigthumbu for that one.

You seem to know these cars pretty well. I was pretty sure that the first RCs were produced in Japan in September of 91. We are pretty anal about build dates here in Canada, since we need 15 years to the month of build to import, and I want an RC...if I can find one in decent shape like yours!

Another thing that I have seen reported is that the RC came without AC from the factory as a further weight reduction. All the other stuff, including the synchros, is in line with what I have been able to find. I saw the AC controls on the dash in your pics, but does it have air from the factory, was it added maybe, or does it not have it at all?

Anyway, you have a pretty unique car there, especially for the US. Good move!

Those OZ wheels would look really good on my car....

robotninja6
09-19-2006, 11:30 PM
whoa whoa whoa, youre in sandpoint now. I'm down in moscow about 2 hrs south, we should meet up sometime, I would love to see your car.

tankd0g
09-20-2006, 02:05 AM
Arrrrrrg, that be prettier than me cabin boy t'ward the end of 6 months at sea....

You guys sure have to go through a lot to get a 15 year old japanese car in the USA.

maxaud
09-20-2006, 04:41 AM
Why couldn't you just register it normally?

well, to be legalized you have to replace a bunch of stuff w/ parts that are DOT approved, so that's what he switched over.


That is a nice purchase. I give you a big :bigthumbu for that one.

You seem to know these cars pretty well. I was pretty sure that the first RCs were produced in Japan in September of 91. We are pretty anal about build dates here in Canada, since we need 15 years to the month of build to import, and I want an RC...if I can find one in decent shape like yours!

Another thing that I have seen reported is that the RC came without AC from the factory as a further weight reduction. All the other stuff, including the synchros, is in line with what I have been able to find. I saw the AC controls on the dash in your pics, but does it have air from the factory, was it added maybe, or does it not have it at all?

Anyway, you have a pretty unique car there, especially for the US. Good move!

Those OZ wheels would look really good on my car....

build dates were from 8/'91-2/'92 for the RC/group A/CS model
build dates were from 8/'90-9/'93 for the wrc model, regular GT-four, and the A model (not to be confused w/ the group A)
build dates were from 10/'89-9/'91 for the wrc model, V model and regular model that came in 'Narrow body' versions
A lot of other useful info can be found here...
http://www.celica.dds.nl/en/celihist.htm
with production dates on more types and different kinds.

RC's had AC as an option is what I believe. A lot of people remove the AC system because the heat condensor sits in front of the Intercooler's heat condensor and the RC model was equiped w/ heat condensor sprayers that were mounted in the front bumper., though they are not hook'd up people Hook them up to a button on a dash that when pressed sprays the condensor and cools intake temps.

My AC has two modes, regular AC and Economy mode which I think sucks the fuel more then anything. It has a 'sun dial' (that's what I was told it was call'd) on the dash that sopposedly pumps more AC out when it senses more sun light. not sure exactly how it works though.

I actually had two sets of the OZ wheels, your a little late. I sold the other set yesterday actually for $725+shipping. They are pretty sweet for OEM


whoa whoa whoa, youre in sandpoint now. I'm down in moscow about 2 hrs south, we should meet up sometime, I would love to see your car.

heck yes, lets do it, keep me inform'd if you ever come this direction.

Hugo4
09-20-2006, 10:35 AM
The different configs these cars came in was pretty crazy, considering how few of them were built. Maybe I was thinking about the WRC model that had the AC deleted. I would look it up, but it's the middle of the night.

I liked the wheels, but not enough to buy them anyway...they were pretty spiffy, though!

maxaud
09-20-2006, 05:40 PM
here are some more differences...

tallights- smoked tallights w/ side vents that arean't lit up.
visors- 'celica' printed visors come stock
corner lights- clear in color, may people get these for their all-tracs as an aftermarket upgrade.
mirrors- Mirrors fold in w/ the push of a button.
exhaust- Exhaust is less restrictive and has a deeper sound
bumpers- the rear bumper is lighter front bumper has a larger mouth while the All-tracs is more slot'd.
hood- the hood has a large opening directly over the turbo which is good for expelling heat. two other outlets also to expell heat, a small hole to cool timing belt.
fenders- fenders have side markers
steering wheel- steering wheels is a stock MOMO wheel
suspension- suspension is 'rally inspired' and drives a lot better then an All-trac in my opinion, definately an upgrade. Vorlauf geometry is used, the kingpin offset is reduced and the lower L arms are anchored to a front chassis member for greater rigidity. There is now greater negative camber at the rear and the dampers include valves which allow them to effectively damp even very low velocity wheel shocks. Straight line stability, cornering and handling characteristics are all improved by these apparently small but important changes.
wheels- stock OZ wheels
RHD- rigidity of the steering column has been increased with a new rubber coupling on the intermediate shaft. This is also standard w/ a telescoping steering column which isn't on the All-trac.
Intercooler- w2a better for tuning as stated and is better because it doesn't get heat soak as bad, has heat exchanger sprayers in front bumper that sprays on the exchanger to cool it to drop intake temps.
turbo- ceramic turbine rather then steel for a quicker spool
differental- comes w/ LSD TorSen type rear differental that is an upgrade that many people do for an All-trac also. It has less moving parts.
Engine- not only is the turbo better as previously stated but the valves are laser welded (laser-clad valve seats) to disperse heat more evenly. 235 hp compated to the 200 hp that an all-trac produces. Radiator fan has also been increased in wattage, new design'd oil pump protect that's lighter.
tranny- has triple cone synchros for second and double cone synchros for 3rd for longer life and a stronger tranny Noise, vibration and harshness have been reduced though, by fitting a dynamic damper to the central prop shaft of the four wheel drive transmission system. the gear lever throw has been reduced from 68 mm to 55 mm. the gear ratios have changed a lot also and many people drop these trannies into their All-tracs.
clutch- clutch stroke has been reduced from 145 mm to 125 mm

some info was taken from a press release that was previously stated

Hugo4
09-22-2006, 10:09 PM
My "regular" JDM GT4 has some of those items, the folding mirrors, fender side markers, clear corner lights, telescoping/power tilt steering wheel (it's also a Toyota MOMO, but I didn't consider the possibility that it came that way), and the upgraded turbo with only 225 HP.

Thanks for posting this stuff, max, and I hope that I can join the RC club someday(or maybe a CS, if I am exceptionally lucky?)

maxaud
09-22-2006, 10:53 PM
A CS would definately be sweet, my Celica doesn't have a 'power' tilt option for the steering wheel, it's manual w/ a lever like the All-trac so that's pretty cool yours is power. I don't have a sun roof in my version, kinda wish it did, but oh well, I also don't have ABS or Cruise which kinda sucks (the cruise part, I couldn't care less about the ABS).

Hugo4
09-23-2006, 10:12 PM
It's not all that common to find cruise control in the JDM cars, the lack of open roads makes it less important. I do have ABS on my GT4.

Speaking of a CS, I found this one locally for sale. It's about 3/4 down the page on this sites inventory. #403 of 5000 - a little rich for my blood, but pretty sweet anyway.

http://www.djauto.ca/inventory2.php?type=Sp

maxaud
10-02-2006, 06:21 AM
It's not all that common to find cruise control in the JDM cars, the lack of open roads makes it less important. I do have ABS on my GT4.

Speaking of a CS, I found this one locally for sale. It's about 3/4 down the page on this sites inventory. #403 of 5000 - a little rich for my blood, but pretty sweet anyway.

http://www.djauto.ca/inventory2.php?type=Sp

that's a nice looking car, better then mine because it is the CS version, I don't have the #'d plate. Lower miles/kilometers and he doesn't have a speed limiter on his.

emicen
10-03-2006, 09:42 PM
YES! Now thats hot. Right car, right colour, right side steering wheel!

Break out the rotary polisher and buff out the swirls and it would be awesome! Are the roulettes 16's or 15's?

maxaud
10-03-2006, 09:51 PM
thanks, the OZ's are 15"

CelicaGT4
10-09-2006, 12:00 AM
Very nice.