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TurboTRDCelica
01-17-2005, 07:02 AM
I have been looking around for a rebuilt turbo. I want to go with a 46 trim T04E compressor wheel & a 10 degree clip on the exhaust. I have been looking around for some decent prices & cannot find anything under $700. I am not in the position to be able to spend $700, this will be my 3rd turbo on this engine, and I can only afford like $550 max right now. Even if I have to get a stock rebuild I will do that. My original CT26 turbo started leaking oil into the exhaust so bad that my car looked like it was on fire underboost. I bought a used MR2 CT26 from a buddy for $150, smoke went away for about 2 months & now the turbo is dumping so much oil in the compressor side that my intake is covered in oil & the intercooler is soaked. So my car is down again & I really need a rebuilt turbo that is gonna last me a while. (couple years) a CT20B would be nice but probably not gonna happen. If anyone can help please post.

Also I did find one affordable CT26 rebuilder, it's majestic turbo but their website was not very impressive so I am hessitant to deal with them.

ChrisD
01-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Best bet is the FS board at mr2oc.com. Lots of used turbos...ATS racing also does them for less money, so that might be a good option. They might even have a quick turn around time since they do core exchanges. http://www.atsracing.net :)

TurboTRDCelica
01-18-2005, 02:01 AM
Anyone know of anywhere else. Possibly a little cheaper.
I am looking to spend $550 for a rebuilt turbo including shipping.

Snafu
01-18-2005, 02:41 AM
I've heard a lot of good things about Majestic turbo.

A lot of honda guys I know go through there and have no problems.

G-man
01-18-2005, 07:01 AM
There's a used ct20b with 20k miles on ebay right now. I think its $600 plus shipping.

CelicaGT4
01-18-2005, 08:38 PM
The ct20b is way overplayed...for that amount of money you can get a way better turbo setup.

G-man
01-18-2005, 09:22 PM
for that amount of money you can get a way better turbo setup.

Oh yea? I am not aware of any other turbo or kit that will bolt up to a 3sgte that can support 300whp for less than $500 (after you sell your ct-26). I am interested in what you have in mind.

Snafu
01-18-2005, 11:18 PM
I know of one. How about buying any T3 with a decent ar, an adapter plate and a modified downpipe. That to me is a better way to spend your money.

G-man
01-19-2005, 12:21 AM
Its a good choice (and one I am going to do) but the turbo alone will cost $500 minimum and the rest will put you well over that.

Snafu
01-19-2005, 04:22 AM
a T3? hell no, not 500 bucks. I've seen them go for 200.

Conrad_Turbo
01-19-2005, 05:15 AM
T3/T4 turbos are quite cheap, I haven't seen too many CT20B turbos go for $500.

ChrisD
01-19-2005, 05:15 PM
Not all t3/t4's are equal...my CT20b powered car smoked an ST185 with a t3/t4 on the Seattle dyno day as well as at the track the night before...and he ran more boost than me.

CT20b's go for $6-800 usually if you look around. Subtract maybe $150 for your stock turbo and it's a pretty good deal.

Consider the cost of commercial adaptor plates, custom braided fuel lines and fittings, etc...all adds up. Plus the CT20b looks just like stock for those that need to worry about officials, bolts right on...

The CT20b is a great turbo...it serves its purpose quite well.

Oh and not to mention, the 10th fastest Celica on my list runs a CT20b... http://www.gtfour.ca/race.html

Sean
01-19-2005, 07:25 PM
Not all t3/t4's are equal...my CT20b powered car smoked an ST185 with a t3/t4 on the Seattle dyno day as well as at the track the night before...and he ran more boost than me.

CT20b's go for $6-800 usually if you look around. Subtract maybe $150 for your stock turbo and it's a pretty good deal.

Consider the cost of commercial adaptor plates, custom braided fuel lines and fittings, etc...all adds up. Plus the CT20b looks just like stock for those that need to worry about officials, bolts right on...

The CT20b is a great turbo...it serves its purpose quite well.

Oh and not to mention, the 10th fastest Celica on my list runs a CT20b... http://www.gtfour.ca/race.html

Thats a bit unfair, any trim T3/T4, well tuned will spit in gobs more air then a 20b. Any plots lieing around of these two in question?

Josh's car was pretty sick at that point, poor comparison.

G-man
01-19-2005, 07:32 PM
I dont think its unfair at all. I am not an expert on T3/T4 pricing but I do know that there are versions that are definitely NOT well suited for the 3sgte. (e.g. compressor surge with 57 trim .63 a/r).

If its so easy to make one work cheaply, why are all the t3/t4 kits starting at $2000? You can't honestly believe there is more than $1500 in profit in there.

ChrisD
01-19-2005, 07:52 PM
Thats a bit unfair, any trim T3/T4, well tuned will spit in gobs more air then a 20b. Any plots lieing around of these two in question?

Josh's car was pretty sick at that point, poor comparison.

I don't have the dyno's of his car...I have an MS paint image that he drew of the graph comparing street dyno to the actual dyno run ( http://www.gtfour.ca/temp/dyno-1.bmp ). Sick how? I do know he had a few issues that he dealt with (downpipe came loose, but fixed before the dyno runs). Josh was running as high as 15psi. I'm sure the turbo just needed more boost to get into it's "sweet spot" so to speak. The t3/t4 should be able to run more boost than the 20b, so yeah the comparison is a little unfair in retrospect. Don't get me wrong, Josh is an awesome guy and I wouldn't want to talk negatively of him or his car. Just pointing out the differences between our dyno runs, same day, same dyno.

So yes, well tuned, a t3/t4 if sized appropriately should outflow a CT20b, however, it needs to run more boost to do so.

CelicaGT4
01-19-2005, 09:17 PM
Oh yea? I am not aware of any other turbo or kit that will bolt up to a 3sgte that can support 300whp for less than $500 (after you sell your ct-26). I am interested in what you have in mind.

I never said the ct20b was a bad turbo, I'm just saying that you can get a better air flow with an e series t04 setup with a 50 trim and .63 ar. I've seen them sell for 300 for a Greddy and would run circles around the ct20b. If you're going to spend lets say $700 avg. on a ct20b, why not just upgrade your ct26 since it is basically the same turbo in many ways? So $300 for t04e, $75 for adaptor plate, $250 for 3in. downpipe (you'll probably do anyways but we'll include it just for my point) and fitted oil feed/return lines, $200 for manifold...which comes to a grand total of $825 for a way better setup and more mods along the way with a better flow manifold and bigger downpipe. Welcome to my setup!

Snafu
01-20-2005, 03:59 AM
Yeah, I'm not bad-mouthing the CT20B at all, but to me it's a dead end, and the end result isn't THAT amazing.

No doubt it's a wonderful turbo, but you have to realize that it's the end of the line. No more upgrades after that. Unless of course you do a hybrid turbo.

Spud
01-20-2005, 03:57 PM
I'll probably end up buying a 20b this summer, although conversations like this make me consider other things too. My ct26 is maxed out, I know I want more power, but I don't know exactly what I would be satisfied with. And with the 20b I can buy it, take a few minutes to bolt it on, and then see how I like it. If I want more power I can start replacing all the other stuff and sell the 20b for probably the same price.

I do agree that the 20b is a "dead end" though. Obviously its a step up from the ct26, but thats pretty much it....when it comes to bigger hp. For spooling its tought to beat though...

ChrisD
01-21-2005, 06:26 AM
Saying it is a dead end makes no sense at all really...

Lots of upgrades to do, turbo is just one. Intake manifold, cams, EMS, yadda yadda. Hell I'm going to say a GT35 is a dead end.

20b serves a purpose. As does the 26. As do t3/t4's. As do the GT series turbos.

It all depends what you are looking for as the end result really. As a good 300whp turbo, it is damn tough to beat.

Snafu
01-21-2005, 03:00 PM
I meant a dead end as far as turbo upgrades. Not as power production as a whole.

No doubt that for 300whp the CT20B is an amazing turbo, I just can't justify the price.

ChrisD
01-21-2005, 03:41 PM
That is fair. To each his own. :) :wiggle:

Snafu
01-21-2005, 07:24 PM
We can agree to disagree. :lolhittin

YangS
01-21-2005, 09:26 PM
One of my friend maxed out his ct26 with a t3 trim at 27psi. But he owns a 89 supra turbo. I think 7m-gte turbo seems stronger then the
3s-gte turbo even though they are almost the same.

DBM
01-22-2005, 07:52 PM
shall we throw the CT27 into the mix? ;)
There are alot of choices out there, but as far as a bolt in no fuss turbo, it is hard to beat the CT20B. Especially for a 300hp turbo that spools as fast as it does. Even if you can get a turno that can flow more air for less, it doesnt automatically mean that you can use that extra air flow without spending alot more money on fuel. For the stock fuel system, the CT20B/ATSCT27 is about as perfect as it gets IMO.

GT4SOM
01-22-2005, 08:23 PM
Sorry but this is a little off topic but hey Chris, the 10th car on your list ran a 12.9, he's located in canada. What do you think if he was to run the same setup in florida or some where with a lower elevation? Considering the air is denser here during the spring/summer, Would he probably do low 12's high 11's?

ChrisD
01-22-2005, 08:57 PM
Sorry but this is a little off topic but hey Chris, the 10th car on your list ran a 12.9, he's located in canada. What do you think if he was to run the same setup in florida or some where with a lower elevation? Considering the air is denser here during the spring/summer, Would he probably do low 12's high 11's?

Yes that is Les's car. He has a ST185 with an ST205 engine. I'm not sure of the elevation where he ran. He lives in the GTA (greater Toronto area) which is 2000+ miles away from me. I do know that his elevation is much lower than me, since I am right by the mountains. I could potentially see a small change in his time if he ran somewhere AT sea level, but I don't think he's all that far up. Maybe 1000ft above sea level, where I am 3500. Might equate to 1mph extra. He is hoping for a mid 12 this year I believe. Maybe he'll ditch the stock clutch. :hehe:

Snafu
01-23-2005, 12:42 AM
Yeah, I do agree with Chris and DBM.

The more I think about it, it's basically like why people upgrade to like a 16g or a 20g, looks a little more like stock, can bolt right in, and in the case of the CT20B, not a lot of fuel mods and such are needed.

Jaemus
01-26-2005, 01:20 AM
this is not completely related, but is the CT20b the stock turbo in the ST205?

ChrisD
01-26-2005, 02:30 AM
Yes. :)

DBM
01-26-2005, 04:59 AM
there is a fellow selling brand NEW CT20B's on the MR2OC board in the MKII 3SGTE section. I'll see if I can find the thread. I'll post a link to it in the for sale forum when I do.