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ty_44_69
04-30-2006, 10:13 PM
What is the rarer Toyota vehicle at the present time:

MR2 Turbo

Supra TT

Celica Alltrac

Does anyone know what the price for these vehicles were when they came out?
I'm especially interested in the price of an alltrac compaired to a gt or gt/s

d1alltrac
05-01-2006, 02:06 AM
alltrac

Cavanagh
05-01-2006, 02:37 AM
All-Trac? I think it would be alot harder to find a Supra Twin Turbo....


Sry i had a whole write up on prices but my cpu froze, and im too lazy to re-type it :( But the alltrac(in 93') was 28,000 and the gts was 18k and the gt was about 2k less than that

SupraTT, 44,100 when new.

Abacaba
05-01-2006, 04:03 AM
You don't see any alltrac's in my neck of the woods.

We have a handfull SupraTT's, but they have lots of mileage on them.

GT4SOM
05-01-2006, 04:12 AM
I would definately say alltrac. MR2s are next and then Supras.

=cJ=
05-01-2006, 05:10 AM
Heh, GT4's seem far more common than supra TT's here, though that might just be because I notice them more :hehe: ...

Gary
05-01-2006, 05:29 AM
Can you be more specific?
Which area? World production, USA, etc...?
Which alltrac? (ST185 or ST165 or both)
Do you want to compare the total number for that body or the number in year which the least production?

Gary
05-01-2006, 05:49 AM
All-Trac? I think it would be alot harder to find a Supra Twin Turbo....


Sry i had a whole write up on prices but my cpu froze, and im too lazy to re-type it :( But the alltrac(in 93') was 28,000 and the gts was 18k and the gt was about 2k less than that

SupraTT, 44,100 when new.

In the US,
Supra TT are more common than alltrac.
If you pick the rarest year, there are only 81 1993 alltracs.
The rarest year of Supra TT is 1996, which is about 88.
And Supra MKiV production span is 6 years.
ST165 production span is 2 years
ST185 is 4 years.

Here is Supra numbers
http://www.mkiv.com/specifications/sales_numbers/retail_sales.html

Here is ST185 numbers
1990 803
1991 591
1992 271
1993 81

And here is 1993 Alltrac window sticker
$29,679
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7246/934jt.jpg

ty_44_69
05-01-2006, 04:49 PM
Thanks guys that answered my question.


If you pick the rarest year, there are only 81 1993 alltracs.
Wow I didn't realize there were so few of them, that to me seems like a wise vehicle to invest in...if you look at the market these days. The rarer the car the more it is worth down the road.

What's the difference between the 93 and 92? If it is same as other Celica's then there isn't much if anything.
And please tell me all Alltrac's were only available with 5 speed, no auto's?

What do you think a good price for a 92 with 139k miles on it? No accidents, minor rust on rear quater

silverspeed
05-01-2006, 06:50 PM
hey i like the colour of the celica mate.. that must be pretty rare? Just like mine i have a gold celice gt4 185 jdm.. colour code 569.. that very rare...

Gary
05-01-2006, 07:35 PM
Wow I didn't realize there were so few of them, that to me seems like a wise vehicle to invest in...if you look at the market these days. The rarer the car the more it is worth down the road.

What's the difference between the 93 and 92? If it is same as other Celica's then there isn't much if anything.
And please tell me all Alltrac's were only available with 5 speed, no auto's?

What do you think a good price for a 92 with 139k miles on it? No accidents, minor rust on rear quater

Buying car is not an investment (true for 99.99%)
These cars are depreciating at a very slow rate comparing with others.
But it will be a long time before they stop depreciating.
They are rare but not exotic. So, even the supply is low, the demand is not "that" what you would expect.
People that buy these cars are not the same group as the one that are shell $$$ for a Testarossa and own a muti million dollar yatch.
Those are the ones that are willing to pay extra and make price goes up.

Any way, there is not much different between 92-93 Alltrac.
93 came with full options (leather, system-10, etc...)
All 93 has 9-stud manifold.
All Celica alltracs and MR2Ts are 5-speed manual from the factory.

A typical, fair condition, stock 92 alltrac should cost you somewhere between 6000-8000
But that entirely depends on perception of the car value of buyer and seller.

BlueDragon
05-01-2006, 07:48 PM
Sounds weird coming from me since I've owned 2 and still do own my 91 but the alltrac is something you almost never see, if you think you did its probably just the hood... maybe swapped if your lucky. I had one fall right into my lap when i was 17, it got totaled because of some dumb lady... anyways. Bought an mr2 Turbo next, which honestly I see about as few of those as supra turbos so... i dunno nobody gave any production numbers on those but I would guess they sold less then supra turbos ?? Anyways Traded the MR2 for a 91 Alltrac... then bought a 90 GT.... Only thing left is a supra turbo huh? haha Anyone have opinion on what would be better for drifting 91 supra turbo or 91 mr2 turbo?? Sorry if I got off topic a little... :squint:

Cavanagh
05-01-2006, 09:41 PM
:owned: Wow i never knew there were only 81 all-tracs, never take my info agian as helpful

KoreanJoey
05-01-2006, 09:59 PM
88 1993 alltracs, not 88 total.

ty_44_69
05-01-2006, 10:56 PM
[/QUOTE]Buying car is not an investment (true for 99.99%) [QUOTE]

ya I realize that look at how much money they cost you, especially if you drive them.
Either way it is a better investment to buy certain cars because you know certain ones will re-sell for more in the end.

Thanks for the facts on the alltrac...nice to know!

Cavanagh
05-02-2006, 01:40 AM
hey i like the colour of the celica mate.. that must be pretty rare? Just like mine i have a gold celice gt4 185 jdm.. colour code 569.. that very rare...

Wow almost all of your posts so far are about your damn gold paint! You sure seem to be pretty proud to have a gold celica....
:givafuck:

ty_44_69
05-02-2006, 03:18 AM
Wow almost all of your posts so far are about your damn gold paint! You sure seem to be pretty proud to have a gold celica....

HA HA.......nuff said

mike325ci
05-02-2006, 07:17 AM
it really does depend on region/location. gary posted the "real" numbers in terms of total sold and whatever, but it's really all about where you live, what your eyes are tuned to seeing, and who you hang out with (carwise).

and i think we're the wrong bunch of people to ask-- take for example, me. i see MR2s ALL the time. that's cos i'm fairly active in the MR2 community in my region-- and there just seems to be a lot of them around here in general. although i do have to say that i rarely see alltracs on a day-to-day basis (that is, if it isn't a car meet, for example). and I even more rarely see any MKIV TTs. maybe once every year on the streets? although i know there are quite a few of them in the NYC area, since friends of mine know people who own them.

BTW, the 1994 and 1995 MR2s are the "rarest" years. Less than 400 TOTAL MR2s were sold for the 1995 model year (in the USA). Of which 93 of them were Turbo models (in the USA). Even more rare are the Turbo Hardtops-- I think there were less than 10 of those sold in the US, in model year 1993, I believe. I have never seen or heard of anyone with a Turbo Hardtop MKII MR2 yet... Would love to get my hands on one. :)

mike325ci
05-02-2006, 07:25 AM
oh, and to your question about that used '92 AT-- 139k with minor RQ rust... I'd expect it to sell for $6500-7000 if everything else is good. '92 and '93s tend to be priced higher than the 90-91s, for one reason or another (and it's not just mileage). I guess more limited #s for 92-93 is also a factor.

and FYI, '93s can sell for 10K+ easily if in great condition. i almost bought one for around there, but ended up with my current '92 for pretty close to the price too...

silverspeed
05-02-2006, 03:08 PM
Wow almost all of your posts so far are about your damn gold paint! You sure seem to be pretty proud to have a gold celica....



and??

ciento44
05-02-2006, 03:57 PM
Goldspeed!!!

Cavanagh
05-02-2006, 09:55 PM
Talk about somthing else besides your paint. just read the lil guy holding the sign, Who gives a fuck?

Punisher
05-02-2006, 10:15 PM
You bitches are just jealous of the gold paint.

Punisher
05-02-2006, 10:15 PM
Oh and I want to see a pic

ty_44_69
05-03-2006, 01:24 AM
Little off topic guys. I realize we are talking about rare cars, but the last 5 posts have been about a gold celica. I don't see any pictures......so how bout 1 post 1 pic and then we stop talking about this gold celica......if it's so rare and you are so happy about it make it your sig that way we don't have to hear about it because we can clearer see you have one everytime you write something. Then after the pic in your sig write a story about your gold celica and then you don't need to fill up threads with posts about this thing everytime getting off topic. Seeing as how I could of sworn I saw you writing something about your gold celica in atleast one other thread as well. :wiggle:
Don't mean to be an ass but I think my solution would stop all this talk about it.
Either way....
If there were so few alltracs how does everyone get ahold of clips all the time?

BlueDragon
05-03-2006, 03:39 AM
JDM clips... the alltrac sold all around the world. Plus we all know these type of cars get wrecked alot... I bet up to 1/10th or more of them in the country have been totaled or parted out to nothing... by the time this car is a classic its gonna be so rare... i hope i can hold onto mine =P :owned:

Hugo4
05-04-2006, 02:32 AM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/Hugo4/14_15.jpg

Take a peek at alltrac.net if you want to find out more about alltracs or the GT4 as it's known around the world. There were a lot more of these cars around than what was sold in North America. Production went on for several more years.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/Hugo4/08_9.jpg

Since you are from Canada you may have noticed a few RHD cars around the last year or too. GT4s are coming in from Japan and that may have affected the market, I know the 300ZX and MR2 guys have complained. There are probably still too few GT4s around to have much impact.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/Hugo4/hotness.jpg

In eight months of owning my car I can't recall seeing another GT4 of the same generation, but have seen tons of MR2s and a few TT Supras. If I ever do see one I will probably have an accident...

Playfortoday
05-04-2006, 03:46 AM
There are plenty of All-trac owners he can ask here too.;)

Playfortoday
05-04-2006, 03:49 AM
All 93 has 9-stud manifold.
All Celica alltracs and MR2Ts are 5-speed manual from the factory.

Actually, some late model 92's have them too. You should have seen Jeremy's reaction when he saw my 92 185 with its 9 stud mani. It has the original stock head.

Gary
05-04-2006, 04:44 AM
First I thought that all 92 AND 93 have 9 stud manifold.
I had the same reaction as Jeremy when I first saw an original 7-stud manifold on a 92.
me --> :squint:

Hugo4
05-05-2006, 04:05 AM
There are plenty of All-trac owners he can ask here too.;)

Of course, this is a great site, not to mention it has the BGBs! I source a lot of sites for info, it sometimes help to get a different slant on things.

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 04:30 AM
Who the hell said you guys could talk about me?
Hm?

:D

Most 92s have the 9 stud manifold.
Only some of the early 92s [like mine] have the 7 stud.

The 92/93 Alltracs are identical, except for a few with the 7 bolt manifold.
Some options for the pre revision became standard on the post revision[abs and moonroof off the top of my head].
The only 2 performance benifits were a shorter shifter and a higher fuel cut for the post revision.
Other than that, it's all aesthetics.
And wiring.

Playfortoday
05-05-2006, 04:33 AM
Of course, this is a great site, not to mention it has the BGBs! I source a lot of sites for info, it sometimes help to get a different slant on things.

Thanks, Hugo4! I am glad you like us.

92-93 ST185 representing in this thread, yo.;)

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 04:34 AM
Shut the hell up.

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 04:35 AM
I meant that in the most respectful way of course...

Playfortoday
05-05-2006, 04:35 AM
:sadcry:

Playfortoday
05-05-2006, 04:36 AM
And hugo is respresenting too, it isn't like the 1990 isn't rare either. I just get excited when 92 and 93 show their faces. Let's hug Jeremy.

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 04:37 AM
cool


Then we'll stop whoring up this poor guys thread.

:D

Playfortoday
05-05-2006, 04:40 AM
But because we are in the rare club, don't we get the right to whore a rare car thread? I think we need to ask Rob about this one. It is a dilemma.

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 04:43 AM
done

:D

Luni
05-05-2006, 05:03 AM
Well by the letters of the law on the site, no whoring allowed outside of off topic.

And I do think in NORTH AMERICA there are fewer alltracs around. I do believe in the world though, I dunno.

In north america there were even fewer 95 MR2 turbos than 93 alltracs but the MR2 Turbo had a longer production run than ST185s. So I dunno. I think here it is the alltrac for sure. Its RARE of me to even see one. I know theyre out there, but they are rare as hell where I live. MR2s are seen quite a bit, and even a supra at a rate of about once or twice per week, but alltracs are few and far between.

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 05:08 AM
I hate to disagree with you, Oh High and Mighty One [:D], but if I am correct, there were 88 95 MR2T, and only 81 93 Alltracs.

Playfortoday
05-05-2006, 05:09 AM
Jeremy is correct, but I am sure Rob is going to pull out a technicality or ultra-fact to back it up.

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 05:12 AM
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Luni
05-05-2006, 05:13 AM
Nope, I was going off a hunch, I just thought somewhere the 95 MR2T production numbers were lower.

93 MR2 Turbos in North America in 95.

So it just reaffirms what I said. The alltrac is definately rarer.

BlueDragon
05-05-2006, 08:07 AM
wow... apparently i wasnt post whoring nearly enough.... lol skeddin

GRUMPY514
05-05-2006, 04:46 PM
Ive seen 1 all trac around here since ive lived here and ive seen many many supras some TT and some not.

T-spoon
05-05-2006, 05:14 PM
Well, the production numbers can't lie. As far as what is more common still on the street.. well, that is so so widely dependent that it's not going to be the same answer for everyone. All-tracs, for instance are EXTREMELY regional. You'll see very very few in southern states compared to NE and NW. MR2s and Supras are very common in houston, for instance, compared to alltracs.

alltracman78
05-05-2006, 08:24 PM
:blahblah:

Cavanagh
05-05-2006, 09:48 PM
Yes, thats true, but numbers can't lie :)

Hugo4
05-05-2006, 10:11 PM
From the FAQs on the alltrac.net:

Facts and Figures


Different Names


Depending on where you lived, you received a re-named named GT-four.


USA - Celica Turbo All Trac

Japan - Celica GT-four, Celica GT-four RC, Celica GT-four WRC

UK - Celica Turbo 4wd, Celica Carlos Sainz Limited

AUS - Celica GT-four, Celica GT-four Group A Rallye



Production Numbers



The number of GT-fours actually made is a bit of a mystery.

Here are the claims of production by Toyota:

(10/86-09/89) ST165 - 26,500

(09/89-08/93) ST185 - 26,000 (5,000 RC Model)

(00/00-05/99) ST205 - 00,000 (2,500 WRC Model)


Export Numbers

Here are the number of GT-fours that were exported from Japan.

ST185:

9,000 - Europe

2,500 - North America

2,500 - Australia and New Zealand

1,000 - Other

This is the kind of stuff that I was referring to when I pointed him to alltrac.net.

Playfortoday
05-07-2006, 04:31 AM
Remember that the North American Number includes Canadia.

ty_44_69
05-07-2006, 05:14 AM
ohh Play :nono: I gave you plus 1 point in my thread about gauges, now I have to give you -1 point for spelling CANADA wrong :slap:

Azzazzyn
05-07-2006, 05:29 AM
no, its canadia. Where have you been? off sleeping with them big strong mounties?

ty_44_69
05-07-2006, 05:54 AM
ohhh shit.......you American's and the way you preceive us. hahah I've never seen a mountie in person in my life. And NO our capital building is not an igloo, and no we don't send our seniors to icefloats to die lol. BUT we do have some good Pot!! :hippy:
I see what you are saying about Canadia......I just never hear or see anyone use that, but I guess it is correct
my bad :wiggle:

tealterror
05-07-2006, 06:31 AM
haha this is one funny ass thread

Playfortoday
05-07-2006, 07:51 AM
Canadia makes you guys sound more official. That's why I use it.

ty_44_69
05-07-2006, 06:33 PM
H A H A.....more offical.

BOBST165
05-07-2006, 07:27 PM
ohhh shit.......you American's and the way you preceive us. hahah I've never seen a mountie in person in my life. And NO our capital building is not an igloo, and no we don't send our seniors to icefloats to die lol. BUT we do have some good Pot!! :hippy:
I see what you are saying about Canadia......I just never hear or see anyone use that, but I guess it is correct
my bad :wiggle:

I know what you mean I was born in palmer Alaska and everyone ask if I road sled dogs to school. :lolhittin

Cavanagh
05-07-2006, 08:45 PM
HAHAHA thats some funny shit.