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elimar48
04-09-2006, 03:30 AM
Hello! It's been nice to read some of the advice you guys have been giving. Here are some pictures of my car!

Here is what it looked like before:
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3363&c=8

After!
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3358&c=8
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3361&c=8
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3360&c=8
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3359&c=8
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3362&c=8

I bought 3 celicas (2 running, 1 non) for $300, so that's $100 apiece! I used all of them to build the one you see here. It was a lot of work! (I think it was about 90 hours from start to just before the paint job.)

The bad news.......
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It's a 2s-e :( :thumbsdow

(I've also put some cross-drilled and slotted rotors with HAWK brakepads in them. Braking is really nice now. It was about $250 for just pads and rotors! :o)

I wanted to put a 3sgte into it this summer, but from what everyone seems to say, it is a hard swap and expensive.

Is there anyone around here that has swapped a 3s-gte into a 2s-e?

Something that I JUST was thinking about today was the idea of even putting in a 3s-ge. I would save over $1000 on JUST the engine alone! Also, it's NA so the wiring would be easier (and from what I have read, the swap as a whole is a lot easier). But I wanted to know how much easier it would be to swap. Would it be something that a non-toyota specialist would be able to do reliably?

Most importantly, how easy is the 3s-ge to increase performance? I mean, I would like to see 170-200hp out of whatever I put in my car, (which is why I thought of the 225hp 2nd Gen 3sgte) but if I can get that much NA, I would be even happier. I dont want crazy power. I want a nice ride to not be embarrased of :hehe: that has the figures that match todays sports cars (which is why I am going to be putting just as much into the suspension as I am the engine).

My question is,.....Is this feasible? Are there any EXPERIENCED or truly knowledgable people that could help me out here? If possible, a list of things that I could do to the 3s-ge that would make it put out 170-200hp would be nice. A rough estimate would be:

Port & Polish
Valve Job
Shimless Bucket Conversion
Cams and Cam gears
UD Pulleys
Exhaust and Headers
Blueprint & Balance
Stage 2 Clutch and 10lb-ish Flywheel
HEAVY tuning!

If none of that, how easy would it be to put a turbo kit onto it for the next summer? (I plan on making about 10,000 this summer, if I put 5,000 into the car, I will only have 5,000 for school! I go to Walla Walla College, Washington State) Would I have to swap out the ecu and oilpan? How much would it be to Turbo a 3sge for the future, IF I do the 3s-ge this summer?

Thank you guys soooo much for helping out! I'll share what I can when people need it, and depending on how my project goes, I can contribute with a list of parts, problem/solutions, costs, and other general advice as I go through the swap.

Thanks again!

4thgenceli
04-09-2006, 04:32 AM
First off..

I <3 THAT BLUE!!! Holy shit I think I just creamed all over my desk at work... crap.



Second,


No offense... but search = your friend.

If you're lookin for a 3sge swap, you'll get about 130-150hp outta it. Those are rough estimates.. and are for the 3s-ge from the 4th gen USDM celica. Base HP is 135, and tuning can pull it towards 150. I'm sure 170 is simply achievable with a bit more tuning and mods. (I don't know what mods will get it to that HP rating, as I'm planning on swapping a 3s-gte into my 4th gen).

The 3s-gte has 190hp (1st gen) stock. The swap for either engine are about the same really. It involves the engine, tranny (I wouldn't use the tranny with the 2se on the 3sge or 3sgte engine personally) ECU and wiring. There's a guy on the board here, goes by Dr. Tweak. He does the wiring conversions. This will make it that much easier on you do do the swap (wires are already done, just need to be placed and hooked up). It would be best to get with him about the details of his harness conversions.

As far as turbo'ing the 3sge, I know it's been done before. Yes you'll have to either swap the oil pan, or modify it to take the oil lines for the turbo. As far as the ECU replacement, I'm not sure if that'd be needed.

If you're planning on spending 5k on the car, and also plan on turbo'ing the 3sge, I'd honestly just swap in the 3sgte personally. (myself, my total is at about 4500 for my GTE swap, including the clip).

Think I hit all teh points you inquired about.... :)

Sean
04-09-2006, 06:46 PM
Welcome!

ciento44
04-09-2006, 07:40 PM
Welcome, and normally i hate the 4th gen notches, but that one looks really nice. :)

elimar48
04-09-2006, 08:11 PM
Actually.....I have been doing a lot of reading today, and it seems a 2nd gen 3s-ge seems to be just as difficult a swap as a 3s-gte is. Actually, a 4th gen Beams 3s-ge would be my preffered choice (I dont want anything over 250hp, so 200-210 NA is GREAT for me), but it is just SOOO expensive!

I need prices guys! If I sent my wiring harnesses over to Dr. Tweak ($400) and bought a 3sgte front clip ($2,500) and then labor (I really dont know how to guess this! $2,000?) I am going to be sinking $5,000 into my car *dies*. I can't do the work myself because I am going to have to be working my tail off to pay for it.

Are my estimates off? I would like for my swap to be around $3,000 to $4,000, which is why I was thinking about doing the 3s-ge, and then working on it some more next summer. What should I do?!

ciento44
04-09-2006, 09:26 PM
Talk to Dr. Tweak some more... i bet you could get the 3sgte in there for $4000, or at least pretty close to it.

Azzazzyn
04-10-2006, 01:10 AM
yeah, tweak can do the whole thing, and he's sexy to boot.

angryyoungnpoor
04-10-2006, 02:35 AM
You can get a clip for 1500-2000. Just shop... a lot for it. Labor is anywhere from 1000-2000 bux.

I consider myself lucky for getting my car with an almost complete swap for 1500 bux. I've since put a good 50 or more hours into it, and it's still not running.

4thgenceli
04-10-2006, 04:31 AM
Check out www.venus-auto.com

Their 2nd gen GTE clip (90-94 GT4) is about 1500bux. Shipping usually is about 400bux (unless you pickup, then just pay about 9% tax). That's where I'm getting my clip from. Just shop around like was stated earlier. I thought too I wuz gonna pay that much for my clip, then I found Venus.

ciento44
04-10-2006, 04:54 AM
Whoa... they have a BEAMS 3sge coming in...

elimar48
04-12-2006, 06:07 AM
What would be most cost-effective/easier? Getting a mr2 rear-clip or an alltrac front clip? I wonder because I know the mr2 clips dont have the same kind of IC setup, so I would have to either do a FMIC, or BUY the stock kind from a junk yard. On the other hand, if I get an alltrac clip, It would have everything, EXCEPT the right tranny, which I would either have to spend money converting or buying an mr2 transmission.

Sooooo.....

Which should I go for?

GT4SOM
04-12-2006, 06:32 AM
If you're doing the work yourself, i would suggest a 3sgte, trust me you will thank yourself later. Try to do a 2nd gen 3sgte out of a st185. Its really not as hard as people make it out to be. As long as you have tools and sufficient mechanical experience you should be fine. Its not like you're taking the engine apart. THe beams 3sge is an awsome engine but I bet the wiring on that is a pain, I know theres one member that has completed the swap. Its cheaper to go with a 3sgte in my opinion.

elimar48
04-12-2006, 08:30 AM
so........what about the tranny? My thought was to do like you said and get the 2nd gen st185 engine, but what about the tranny?