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mon3y19
03-09-2006, 02:12 AM
Okay I'm wondering how much a 92 GTS with a 3sgte would weigh? Would it be as close as to an ALLTRAC? Is it going to be as heavy as putting a 3sgte into a 95 celica gt? I've searched but couldn't seem to find what I was looking for so I am asking. So is a 3s into a 92 lighter or a 95 lighter? Thanks guys.

Punisher
03-09-2006, 03:27 AM
It won't be nearly as heavy as an alltrac.. they are boats.

hobbie2k
03-09-2006, 05:50 AM
well, you should be able to find drivetrain weights for the motors. So lookup the drivetrain weight of the 3sgte, then the weights of whatever your two (stock) drivetrains are. Then subtract the (stock) drivetrain weight from the stock car's weight and then add the 3sgte's weight and it should give you an approximate total weight.

Anyhow, they won't be anywhere NEAR as heavy as the Alltrac. Most of the Alltrac's weight comes from the AWD system and the additional chassis stiffening. I would guess that the 3sgte would increase your total weight by aboout 50-100 pounds given the extra hardware needed in the turbo version. That's just a guess though. That would mean that the '92 would almost assuredly weigh less. Mostly because it will have less sound deadening, less safety and emissions equipment, and fewer weight adding features than the '95.

angryyoungnpoor
03-09-2006, 07:34 AM
Probly a good 300 pounds different. The 6h gens I think... are lighter? Either way an alltrac is still gonna be heavier.

Punisher
03-09-2006, 05:15 PM
I'd estimate that a 3SGTE would add more on the fat side of 100lb's.

Still, not a big deal.. there is always weight reduction for the motor.. I'm planning on making my own all aluminum intake manifold that will weigh drasticly lighter than the stock one and clean up a lot of space.

Same thing with the exhaust.. if I use a cat it'll be down further in the exhaust system and it won't be anything near what the stock exhaust system weighs..

T-spoon
03-09-2006, 05:22 PM
Between the 5th and 6th gens, the 6g ST is the lightest. Between those that come with S-series engines, the 6th gen coupe is the lightest. The 5th gen gts is the heaviest after the all-trac. Lightest setup with S-series car (between 5-6thg) is going to be a 6g coupe. 5g GTS probably has MORE sound deadoning and comfort hardware than a 6th gen. If you strip them both, 6g coupe will still weigh less than the GTS anyway, the back hatch glass is heavy.

hobbie2k
03-09-2006, 05:50 PM
Okay, so it seems I was wrong (and now that I think of it, I can remember hearing that the 6th gen is lighter on other occasions). So if you want to save a few pounds, stick it in the 6th gen.

T-spoon
03-09-2006, 07:34 PM
Okay, so it seems I was wrong (and now that I think of it, I can remember hearing that the 6th gen is lighter on other occasions). So if you want to save a few pounds, stick it in the 6th gen.

We're only talking a few hundred pounds in any event, it's somewhat academic. I'd consider gen preference before the weight, personally.

hobbie2k
03-09-2006, 08:27 PM
We're only talking a few hundred pounds in any event, it's somewhat academic. I'd consider gen preference before the weight, personally.

It may not seem like much, (and most driver's wouldn't really notice) but when you figure in power vs weight, the loss of 200 lbs produces a similar result as gaining 10-15hp, that's about the same as an intake and exhaust, but it's for free and it improves performance no matter where you are in the powerband.

That said, if you really prefer the 5th gen to the 6th as a performance vehicle, then swap the 5th gen. You'll be happier even if it is a little slower. If you like them both, or prefer the 6th gen, then I'd swap the 6th gen.

johnL
03-09-2006, 08:50 PM
Does my 91 GTS count in this? As it sits its 2395lbs. After the swap this summer it should be down to its lean racing weight of 2000lbs w/o driver. Add a skinny 140 lbs for the driver :laugh: Still, 6th coupe is ligher if you want to keep your "creature comforts". You can swap a 3SGTE into a 5th gen ST that would by far be the lightest of the two gens.

John L.

90CelicaST
03-09-2006, 09:09 PM
You can swap a 3SGTE into a 5th gen ST that would by far be the lightest of the two gens.
John L.Yay, good for me :D

mon3y19
03-10-2006, 03:37 AM
i think the 6th gen celica GT's are at the 2500lbs area and the 5th gen GTS are at the 2600-2800lbs area? i could be wrong but i've heard different stories. how much does the 3sgte weigh? thanks for the replies guys

Dr.Auto
03-11-2006, 06:06 PM
i think the 6th gen celica GT's are at the 2500lbs area and the 5th gen GTS are at the 2600-2800lbs area? i could be wrong but i've heard different stories. how much does the 3sgte weigh? thanks for the replies guys

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :D
You are correct. Don't let JohnL screw with you too much.........but don't question the weight of his car either. His car is not exactly normal :bigthumbu

ciento44
03-12-2006, 07:43 AM
My 5th gen GT weighs in at 2650, without driver, if that helps anyone.

yotas4life
03-19-2006, 06:24 PM
5th gen
convertable
(90-91):2844
(92-93):3020
coupe
(90-91)ST:2500
(92-93)ST:2646
(90-91)GT:2674
(92-93)GT:2844
liftback
(90-91):2696
(92-93):2866
alltrack/gts
(90-91)AllTrac:3272
(92-93)AllTrac:3218
(90-91)GT-S:2804
(92-93)GT-S:2943

6th gen liftback coup convertable
GT 2580 2560 2755

ST 2415 2395

there were no gt-s in the 6th gen
all celicas are pigs excpet the st, expecially the convertables and the gt-s

Celicaguy13
03-20-2006, 12:18 AM
Off topic but the Lightest High Performing Celica is the 7th gen GT-S. 2500lbs ;)

hotrodhendrix1
03-21-2006, 07:25 PM
coupe
(90-91)GT:2674 :bigthumbu (thats me)
(92-93)GT:2844
liftback
(90-91):2696
(92-93):2866

This doesnt look right... 22 lbs?? I can guarantee you that the liftback weighs more than that.

Anyways does this look wrong to anyone else??

ciento44
03-21-2006, 07:30 PM
Looks wrong to me... mostly because my 93 GT Coupe weighs what a 90-91 should weigh...

T-spoon
03-21-2006, 10:49 PM
Oopse, I forgot about the 'verts, they'd be heaviest after AT I believe, and then GTS.

yotas4life
03-22-2006, 01:38 AM
nmo there right, the liftbacks have less sound deadening material as well as the paneling in the back is diffrent

the diffrence between the 90-91 and 92-93 models was options,on the 92+ a/c was now standard as well as power windos /doors in all modesl (except st) and the main thing is the moon roof was now stanard witch added over 40 lbs, these values are curb weighs FROM FACTORY, with all standard options, keep in mind your car weighs more than that if youve added any options, i.e. 90-91 gt soup started at 2674 w/OUT power windows and doors, w/out moonroof, etc...

trust me there right

ciento44
03-22-2006, 03:11 AM
What's the weight on the registration or whatever? Is that known to be inaccurate?

yotas4life
03-22-2006, 09:07 AM
you mean doorpanel? those are (usually) these^, its called curb weight, i.e. waht the vehicle weighs with full fluids and standard options....except usually done w little to half a tank of gas as well, varies by company

i.e. my celicas curb is 2500 pounds, my celica really does weigh 2545 w out m in it, nothing stripped and a full tnak of gas, i have no power options, no moonroof, but i have a/c, if i had all those options id weigh about 2625-2650

ciento44
03-23-2006, 04:20 AM
See... i have a/c, power windows and mirrors, power locks, and my curb weight is 2675...1993 GT Coupe... i dunno. Something isn't accurate somewhere, whether it's the numbers posted here, or my curb weight.

yotas4life
03-23-2006, 06:19 AM
no the 93 gt coups curb is 2844 w all those things, easyest way to find out is to take it to the nearest garbage dump, ive done it to mine 3 or 4 times now,
when i first bought it (2700 w me and 3/4 tank plus some shit in the trunk)
after trunk stripping and no jack and no sapre was 2620 on 1/2 tank
after romoval of doorpanels and everyhting i could tink of (now ther back on tho) even ac it weighed in at 2450 w me and 3/4 tank so dry and not me in it (150 pounds at teh time) would be just under 2300, seems about right, the only real way to get it below that is start isntalling cf crap and etc...btw getting new exuasht is a great way to kill weight, my stock cat weighed 19 pounds, muffler was 30 something and piping +resonator, header and flexpipe was 75 pounds, new shit weighs 30