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deuce
02-11-2006, 03:18 AM
Anyone knows the end results if both were good drivers?

Colossus20v
02-11-2006, 03:58 AM
umm. Are you serious?



swapped 3sgte celica would crush a 00 gts.

deuce
02-11-2006, 04:26 AM
yeah , dead serious, i always wondered what a swapped celica stacks up to....

deuce
02-11-2006, 04:26 AM
how about an acura Type R ?

SNapper
02-11-2006, 04:32 AM
integra type r has 190 hp and about the same weight as a celica. why don't u go do the swap and then go race people and you'll find out.

deuce
02-11-2006, 05:20 AM
hey snapper, going for a swap this summer...

Sean
02-11-2006, 05:44 AM
Type R's have never been a problem, as well as any factory celica out there.

Lagos
02-11-2006, 08:56 AM
once you swap, you never fear another NA 4cyl car.

ive raced a 7th gen gts before, it was no problem at all.
the only sad part is, that i dont think the other driver even realized that my car was a celica as well.

burnyd
02-11-2006, 06:05 PM
swapped celis are just roll racing monsters... heres an example.. last night I was driving home on 28 when a new mustang gt pulled up next to me... Definately had an exhaust... and it was definately a 5 speed or 6 whatever they come in. after 3 beeps I beat him by about 3 car lengths.

But anyways. swapped celi would destroy a 7th gen gts even if it had minor bolt ons. Like LAgos said after you swap you will never fear any na 4 banger.

Luis C
02-11-2006, 06:46 PM
A 5th gen with a 3S-GE can keep up with a 00+ GT-S, the only problem I see with the 00+ GT-S is that the driver has to keep the car on Lift (+7.000 RPMS) in he wants to make a difference while we, us the 3S-GE lot, have power available at any RPM range :D

I could only imagine what it would do to a GT-S if it had a 3S-GTE.

burnyd
02-11-2006, 07:43 PM
I test drove one at the dealership ( friend works there ) It seems like if you keep it in the power band, mainly in the 7k's its a pretty quick car. The new lotus elise with the turbo motor, is suppost to do a 12.5 in the quarter. Alot of guy who boost their gts's usualy put down pretty good numbers.

Lagos
02-11-2006, 08:00 PM
here is another way to think about it. a 7th gen puts down about 150whp and about 120tq to the wheels with intake/exhaust mods. 3sgte swapers normally see around 200-230 hp/tq at the wheels with basic exhaust/intercooler mods.

burnyd
02-11-2006, 08:20 PM
here is another way to think about it. a 7th gen puts down about 150whp and about 120tq to the wheels with intake/exhaust mods. 3sgte swapers normally see around 200-230 hp/tq at the wheels with basic exhaust/intercooler mods.


:D

angryyoungnpoor
02-11-2006, 11:36 PM
Waht's the weight difference? 4 or 5 hundred pounds?

Colossus20v
02-11-2006, 11:55 PM
once you swap, you never fear another NA 4cyl car.

haha :laugh:

Lagos
02-12-2006, 01:11 AM
Waht's the weight difference? 4 or 5 hundred pounds?

i would guess that the weight is about the same in the two cars. cant be more then 1-200lb difference, if there is one.

burnyd
02-12-2006, 03:34 AM
its not a noticeable amount of weight but its a tad more...

Ricksta
02-12-2006, 03:18 PM
why does it matter what cars you can or cannot beat? with the right mods you can beat pretty much anything out there. it all comes down to how much money you wanna spend and ask yourself am i going to put as much TLC into this car as lagos and sean.

deuce
02-12-2006, 03:52 PM
once you swap, you never fear another NA 4cyl car.

ive raced a 7th gen gts before, it was no problem at all.
the only sad part is, that i dont think the other driver even realized that my car was a celica as well.



If u will never fear another 4cyl car after a swap, i heard that the Honda S2000 is a quick ride for a 4 cyl....

Sean
02-12-2006, 06:04 PM
If u will never fear another 4cyl car after a swap, i heard that the Honda S2000 is a quick ride for a 4 cyl....


Yet I dont fear a S2000.

Morwan
02-12-2006, 09:28 PM
A 5th gen with a 3S-GE can keep up with a 00+ GT-S, the only problem I see with the 00+ GT-S is that the driver has to keep the car on Lift (+7.000 RPMS) in he wants to make a difference while we, us the 3S-GE lot, have power available at any RPM range :D

You mean 3S-GTE, right? Because a 5th gen with a 2nd gen 3S-GE would have less horsepower and weigh 300lbs more.

Lagos
02-12-2006, 09:41 PM
id race an s2000 in a heart beat. i raced and beat a bmw z4 before (similar to the s2000), and that was no problem .

Luis C
02-13-2006, 01:07 AM
You mean 3S-GTE, right? Because a 5th gen with a 2nd gen 3S-GE would have less horsepower and weigh 300lbs more.

Nope... I meant what I wrote, a 2nd gen 3S-GE can keep up with a 00+ GT-S even more in stop-go situations where the 00+ GT-S has to rev high to hit Lift and make power while the 3S has power at almost any given RPM range.

My friend has a 02 GT-S and he is not to keen on having to rev the SOB to 7.000 RPMS just to get the extra oomph, as mater of fact he has already purchased a Power FC to tinker with fueling and lower the Lift engagement point to a more "achieveble" RPM

burnyd
02-13-2006, 03:04 AM
id race an s2000 in a heart beat. i raced and beat a bmw z4 before (similar to the s2000), and that was no problem .


was that a z4 from a roll or a dig?

bongbbreakin
02-13-2006, 06:46 AM
my 3sgte > 00 GTS
i raced and won from a dig and a roll, it was stock..from a roll it it wasn't an issue, but when we were from a dig i was kind of scared because of traction issues, crappy falken ziex (they suck but i can't complain i got them for 50 dollars for all 4) but still got him.

but............


once you swap, you never fear another NA 4cyl car.

an NA 4 cyl that i fear is a dc5 rsx type-s k20, it wasn't boosted but had some minor bolt-ons (DC intake and header, HKS exhaust, hondata , ACT clutch and flywheel) it kicked my ass, he said he ran a 13.7 at at the track....we did a few 2nd gear rolls on the street and i was right next to him but when we got on the highway i was behind about a car, i don't know whats wrong with my car sometimes....i dont know i think that my car should be faster then what it is said to be. with my bolt-ons (3 inch intake, dp, midpipe, and exhaust, jdm ecu, FCD, mbc at 12psi it seems pretty sluggish...i think i need purchase aaron's ct27 combo kit

Sean
02-13-2006, 08:20 AM
Might be time for some new ignition componets.

bongbbreakin
02-13-2006, 03:07 PM
Might be time for some new ignition componets.

what should i start off with, plugs wires and cap?, it does seem to misfire a lil bit after the car has been fully warmed up..

Sean
02-13-2006, 08:35 PM
New Toyota everything cap, wires, rotor.

Then I would buy some NGKBKR7E's from Napa, plug number 6097.

Lagos
02-13-2006, 10:32 PM
was that a z4 from a roll or a dig?

from a roll. some ritch kid who thought he was the hot shit.

Lagos
02-13-2006, 10:40 PM
bongbbreakin... try adjusting your clutch pedal freeplay. my car had the slugish feel, lots of lag, etc... it turned out that i had too much freeplay on the clutch and it was causing all of these odd problems that nothing esle seemed to fix.

if that dont work...
check for boost leaks, turn up the boost to 14-15psi and run that integra again. shouldnt be a problem

jaded_driver
02-14-2006, 01:53 AM
once you swap, you never fear another NA 4cyl car.

ive raced a 7th gen gts before, it was no problem at all.
the only sad part is, that i dont think the other driver even realized that my car was a celica as well.

heard the spec-v was competition.. this isn't true?

Lagos
02-14-2006, 04:25 AM
heard the spec-v was competition.. this isn't true?

lol, not a chance. its 180 hp at the crank, while a swaped celica with a boost controller and some mods makes at least 225-260 at the crank.

keoni on this site has a swaped 5th gen and a spec-v daily driver, and even he will tell you the swap is alot faster/

if you want to know what its like, just think of it as a 13sec car. so stuff like an STI, evo, srt4, DSMs are the type of cars that you would think of as competition.

T-spoon
02-14-2006, 03:26 PM
There are a few NA 4cyl's bumping around that would eat an average swap celica.. but.. they aren't stock, certainly not the norm.

bongbbreakin
02-14-2006, 10:25 PM
bongbbreakin... try adjusting your clutch pedal freeplay. my car had the slugish feel, lots of lag, etc... it turned out that i had too much freeplay on the clutch and it was causing all of these odd problems that nothing esle seemed to fix.

if that dont work...
check for boost leaks, turn up the boost to 14-15psi and run that integra again. shouldnt be a problem

i actually just put a new clutch and master in a few months ago and that has been adjusted but i dont know how that can cause lag though, the pedal is really stiff but i guess i haven't ran into that situation to know how it feels....anyways i dont think there are any boost leaks because im hitting 10-11 psi easily and there is no sudden spike or drop in boost, it boost consistent and smooth...

im probably gonna do the ignition components first because i am running an new MSD blaster SS coil w/ factory wires and cap it came with when i bought the swap and they said it had 56,xxx km and it does kind of misfire here and there when i am at idle but i read it is a very common 3s problem. at idle it sits at like 14:7 and then i'll feel it miss and the ratio will drop to around 16:x to 18:x and then back to 14:x..... maybe if i switch out the cap and wires i'll notice a difference because i remember just doing new wires and plugs on my old 5sfe i noticed it pulled better. and i hope the damn misfire goes away...i have a few error codes that i need to check out also but i haven't had the time and its cold in the garage, i'll wait till it gets warmer plus these error codes have been on since i did the swap but it still running strong. keoni also had this problem with error codes after swapping and i dont know if he has fixed them yet or not but he told me after the swap the CEL light might go on...

Sean
02-15-2006, 02:20 AM
i actually just put a new clutch and master in a few months ago and that has been adjusted but i dont know how that can cause lag though, the pedal is really stiff but i guess i haven't ran into that situation to know how it feels....anyways i dont think there are any boost leaks because im hitting 10-11 psi easily and there is no sudden spike or drop in boost, it boost consistent and smooth...

im probably gonna do the ignition components first because i am running an new MSD blaster SS coil w/ factory wires and cap it came with when i bought the swap and they said it had 56,xxx km and it does kind of misfire here and there when i am at idle but i read it is a very common 3s problem. at idle it sits at like 14:7 and then i'll feel it miss and the ratio will drop to around 16:x to 18:x and then back to 14:x..... maybe if i switch out the cap and wires i'll notice a difference because i remember just doing new wires and plugs on my old 5sfe i noticed it pulled better. and i hope the damn misfire goes away...i have a few error codes that i need to check out also but i haven't had the time and its cold in the garage, i'll wait till it gets warmer plus these error codes have been on since i did the swap but it still running strong. keoni also had this problem with error codes after swapping and i dont know if he has fixed them yet or not but he told me after the swap the CEL light might go on...


First thing I would do is get rid of that Coil, and go back to stock. You've made things unneccessarly complicated.

Morwan
02-15-2006, 03:59 AM
There are a few NA 4cyl's bumping around that would eat an average swap celica.. but.. they aren't stock, certainly not the norm.

Unless it's a Lotus Elise. :hehe:

burnyd
02-15-2006, 08:14 AM
First thing I would do is get rid of that Coil, and go back to stock. You've made things unneccessarly complicated.


the stock coil is pretty good but I decided to go a little different I have all msd.. for my ignition :D

bongbbreakin
02-15-2006, 05:41 PM
First thing I would do is get rid of that Coil, and go back to stock. You've made things unneccessarly complicated.

when i bought the swap it did not come with a coil so i went with the MSD one because the shop here stocked it. but anways im purchasing, the coil, new wires, new plugs, and new cap in a few days

angryyoungnpoor
02-15-2006, 10:00 PM
Unless it's a Lotus Elise. :hehe:

Very much agreed.

My bud just wrecked his going 130 around a turn. That thing was fast.

T-spoon
02-16-2006, 03:03 AM
Very much agreed.

My bud just wrecked his going 130 around a turn. That thing was fast.


Heh, well yes, I wasn't thinking of that price bracket, but yes, a Lotus would do it. It's really just an MRS GTS anyway :P.. wish my mrS had that motor..

CelicaST202
02-17-2006, 04:16 AM
hmm i want to race some Celicas with 3SGTE.....

T-spoon
02-17-2006, 05:27 AM
hmm i want to race some Celicas with 3SGTE.....

Keep in mind this whole time they're talking about NA 4cylinders. An sr20det is certainly not an NA 4cyl ;)

Sean
02-17-2006, 05:42 AM
I've raced quite a few turbo SR20's...

burnyd
02-17-2006, 07:08 AM
I've raced quite a few turbo SR20's...


and.... I usualy end up losing by a car length to my friends 240 with a front mount and exhaust....?

Sean
02-17-2006, 08:32 AM
and.... I usualy end up losing by a car length to my friends 240 with a front mount and exhaust....?


LOL hell no! I've always took them for a stroll.... :wtf:

Sean
02-17-2006, 08:33 AM
That was back at the drag strip, 4-5 years ago, I actually raced two different ones. They were always a few tenths behind me, and a few MPH back.

I raced on the highway as well a long time ago, He lost it everytime he shifted, who knows.

Colossus20v
02-17-2006, 01:17 PM
^Sean how much boost are you running?

Sean
02-17-2006, 02:18 PM
???/

ATM? 9

5 years ago? not too sure i remember.!?

CelicaST202
02-17-2006, 05:21 PM
i would like to see that well my bro has a mr2 with gen3 motor so we shall see :D

Sean
02-17-2006, 05:44 PM
Have fun and be safe ;)

burnyd
02-17-2006, 08:50 PM
Im only at 5psi... thats prolly why sean what are you at?....

Sean
02-17-2006, 09:52 PM
Washington State.

Lagos
02-18-2006, 06:59 AM
???/

ATM? 9

5 years ago? not too sure i remember.!?


why are you only at 9psi ? i keep mine anwhere from 10-15psi.

GRUMPY514
02-18-2006, 07:52 AM
yea 00' gts get pooped on by me and brothers car.

Heard quiet a few people said they took out stock STI's from a roll of course

Beat friend Z4 in my car before. ............Always heard a S2k would be good comp tho???

SRT-4's get SHITTED on badly by our swapped celi's

u would tihnk matchs for our car would be...

RSX Type S
S2k
Z4
Cobalt SS
SRT-4



Anybody here ever raced some american muscle? I got walked on by a modded WS6 (ate me alive) We were in 2 lanes and there was a minivan on the side of me so he got behind me at light and i just got on it WOT, soon as lane opend up...he threw my car in reverse and took me for a walkin :lolhittin

or Zo6?

GRUMPY514
02-18-2006, 07:55 AM
Raced a SVT Cobra mustang before also.

did pretty good with it.

But the big beefy Zo6/WS6 are quick as hell...


Sean u ever race a 1st gen DSM? Laser/Eclipse/Talon ???

Raced friends , 92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD w/Cyclone motor + upgraded turbo...

beat my car by like a car from a roll....that car dips from a dig, throws u back into seat with its retaded suspension....would expect the car to smack against the ground WOT

Sean
02-18-2006, 08:16 PM
THe night I finished my swap I was out at the street races (young and stupid) and went up against a 1st gen eclipse running tons of boost (he said around 17lbs!). I lost by a car in the quarter from a stand still.

I've beat 3 vette's in my time, 2 C5's, and one older stingray. I've beaten up my buddies 5.0 (gears, intake, exhaust, spool, extra timing) every now and then.. .

Im sure theirs others... Have to recollect a bit.