View Full Version : celicatech family need help on a 5sfe / 3sfe question

01-11-2006, 04:29 AM
got a question about this motor. I got a 91 celica gt that i bought, dude i bought the car from said it has a 3sfe swap, but when i look up the car at my work it says that its a 5sfe,well whats the diffrence between these motors? my motor says 2200 (2.2) right? but aint the 3sfe a 2000(2.0)? So i am confused about this whole deal, can anybody help me with this. I plan on doing engine mods but i need to know and figure this motor thing out so celicatech.com family help please.

01-11-2006, 04:38 AM
The 3SFE was the economy engine used overseas. The 5SFE is native to us here in North America. Perhaps only the block came from an original 3SFE engine?

01-11-2006, 04:39 AM
3SFE is a weaker engine, it's a BAD thing that you're getting that instead of the 5SFE. If it's a 3SGE or a 3SGTE, that's a different story.

01-11-2006, 04:56 AM
i just looked up the motor and found out its a 5sfe the engine was upgraded yeah it was only a 130hp but the gt-s and gt came or should i say come with the 2.2 liter,so its a good thing that the 3sfe is not in this wounderful piece of machine, maybe the seller made a mistake on the motor stateing it was a 3sfe when its not. well thanks family, be safe and play hard

01-11-2006, 05:07 AM
the motor is a jdm 3sfe but the person that had the car before me and did the swap used a 2.2l vavle cover. dont ask me why thats just what the guy did.

01-11-2006, 05:09 AM
3SFE is a weaker engine, it's a BAD thing that you're getting that instead of the 5SFE. If it's a 3SGE or a 3SGTE, that's a different story.

i dont know how much weaker cause it was beats gt's with not much of a problem.

01-11-2006, 05:54 AM
It depends on what year the 3SFE is:

1994-1997 (3S-FE)
2.0-liter DOHC 16-valve EFI 4-cylinder
120 hp @ 5,400 rpm
125 lb.-ft. @ 4,600 rpm

1998-2000 (3S-FE)
2.0-liter DOHC 16-valve EFI 4-cylinder
Receoved 7 more hp and 7 more lbs. of torque via a distributorless Toyota Direct Ignition System (TDI), an optimized intake system as well as lighter pistons and connecting rods.
127hp @ 5,400 rpm
132 lb.-ft. @ 4,600 rpm

2001-2003 (3S-FE)
2.0-liter DOHC 16-valve EFI 4-cylinder
Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-I)
148 hp @ 6,000 rpm
142 lb.-ft torque @ 4,000 rpm

Source: http://rav4world.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3125&sid=bfb48d039011dbd0ad9a44fff5014a93

But I'm betting it's one from '87-'93. Those 3SFE's put out 116 HP. The 5SFE puts out 130-135. You probably won because of skill, the 5th gen GT is about 100lbs lighter than the GT-S. That weight advantage combined with the extra 20 HP will make a noticeable difference in performance.

01-11-2006, 08:13 AM
The 3SFE was available domestically in the 4th Gen as well. It is the same basic engine as the 5SFE just a different bore and/or stroke. Externally it is the same engine. It is not unheard of for folks to swap the 3SFE into a GT or GT-S if they can find a low mileage JDM version.

01-11-2006, 04:32 PM
it was a jdm. they have higher compression and they are putting out around the same hp and tq as the 5sfe. i think it was between 3-5 less hp and about 3-5 more tq. i know thats not a huge difference but i mean its a differnce.

01-11-2006, 06:37 PM
cool thanks for the knowledge, i was looking this morning at the car and i see the 3sfe writing on the tranny, see the valve cover is what really threw me to left feild on the subject,now i can look for 3sfe mods.

01-11-2006, 06:47 PM
oh i know what you mean. it was even worse for me at first cause the guy that sold it to me wasnt 100% what the motor was called and when i had to replace a cv axle it was so confusing. we went through like 4 different axles till we found the right one. gay.. did you paint it yet?