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Gurr
10-26-2005, 05:36 AM
Okay, has anyone ever swapped in a 4age or a 3sge into a 3rd gen celica?

84bluegts
10-27-2005, 12:56 AM
I think some 3rd gens in over seas came with 4A-GE, 18R-GE, or 3T-GTE in the GT-TS and GT-TR models, but never in north america, so it is possible to swap 4A-GE. 5S-GE, 3S-GE, and 3S-GTE are all possible it you have the money. Search www.celica-gts.com/forums for more info.

alltracman78
10-30-2005, 09:00 PM
3T-GTE and 3S-GTE are 2 TOTALLY different engines from different engine familys.
the first letter in the code is the engine family. MOST parts swap in families.
And there's no such thing as a 5S-GE.

Gurr
11-03-2005, 04:33 PM
I'm trying to figure this out, because I'd like to get a RWD project car that is decently light.. but to me, the 22re isn't a very good engine for power and theres something that 4 throttle bodies that just brings a smile to my face

85gtsblackman
11-03-2005, 08:09 PM
the 22re isn't a very good engine for power


yes it is go reserch more

Demz
11-03-2005, 11:41 PM
yes a 4A-GE is a direct bolt in, so ive heard.

also from a person who has owned BOTH a 4A powered 3rd gen, and a 22R powered 3rd gen. he says that it is MUCH MORE worth it, money and time wise, to mod a 22R than to swap in a 4A

3S-GE/GTEs have been done before, but require quite abit of work. and id assume that it would be much easier to get power out of than a 22R, but at the cost of alot of durablity that the 22R offers.

the 22R -IS- a good engine for power. you just need to know where and how to mod it.

one of many sites to get aftermarket for 22R: www.lcengineering.com

the endall site for any 3rd Gen info: www.celica-gts.com

85gtsblackman
11-04-2005, 02:28 AM
20r 22r 22re 22rte are in the top 5 of reliable toyota motors made, ever


and even though the stock hp is low , its on a very restritcve intake and exaust (theres a section thats about a foot or more long thats flat on top and has a total diameter of about an inch)

also the downpipe on the 22re is extreamly restrictive on the 3rd gens

also the 22re is about the cheapest toyota motor u can mod, and parts are plentiful for the engine, unlike other toyota engines, just about everything u want for a 22re u can get

also if u really wanted to swap something u can use a 5mge 6mge or 7mge/gte

Rix86
11-04-2005, 03:50 AM
I have to wonder where people get the idea that the r engines aren't good to make power with......

blck87gtconv
11-06-2005, 10:43 AM
I have to wonder where people get the idea that the r engines aren't good to make power with......
It's a truck engine. That simple.

Luni
11-08-2005, 11:55 PM
-Jason, theres a lot of aftermarket support that works to make power on a 22R engine. They can be pretty damn powerful. The engines themselves are rocks.

Not to mention it was used in cars before it was used in trucks.

Celicas got 22rs before the trucks of that era did.

KoreanJoey
11-10-2005, 05:46 AM
It's a truck engine. That simple.
:stupid:

Hiko
11-10-2005, 07:50 AM
Not to say it's cheap, but it is possible to make a 370hp 20r (http://www.classic-celica.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1675&sid=bcc4563853696a3c492427fa648969bf) .
Also, that's also been bought, and is going into a 77 celica. That can be found here (http://www.classic-celica.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6650&sid=15db55077084162faf576202bbed970e) .

KoreanJoey
11-10-2005, 08:04 AM
Dude... I want your 77...

blck87gtconv
11-10-2005, 08:36 AM
-Jason, theres a lot of aftermarket support that works to make power on a 22R engine. They can be pretty damn powerful. The engines themselves are rocks.

Not to mention it was used in cars before it was used in trucks.

Celicas got 22rs before the trucks of that era did.
you're kidding me! :hehe: I know that, foo.. I was saying why the misconception exists.

I've done my homework on 3rd gens just like I did on 4th gens when I had one.

Gurr
11-11-2005, 07:44 PM
yea, I've come to the conclusion that the celica is to heavy... damn heaviness ><. Oh well, just have to get a miata or something lighter. And yea, the 22re may be reliable and may be able to make hp but when the 4age can push 200+ N/A I think it has a bit more potential. Thats just my thinking though.

blck87gtconv
11-13-2005, 09:40 PM
yea, I've come to the conclusion that the celica is to heavy... damn heaviness ><. Oh well, just have to get a miata or something lighter. And yea, the 22re may be reliable and may be able to make hp but when the 4age can push 200+ N/A I think it has a bit more potential. Thats just my thinking though.
Heavy? Are you kidding me?

KoreanJoey
11-13-2005, 11:05 PM
3rd gens are what? 2600? If you call that heavy, try driving a modern car.

85gtsblackman
11-13-2005, 11:05 PM
dynamic73 weighed his 85 gts with a full interior and he doubble insulated himself with sound deadener , and full sound system with a really heavy sub box came out to barely 2800 lbs, if it was stock its say id be 26xx lbs

i know the coupes are even lighter like 25xx lbs

Demz
11-14-2005, 10:32 AM
Not to mention it was used in cars before it was used in trucks.

yes but the R series engine was used in forklifts before it was used in cars ;)


I have to wonder where people get the idea that the r engines aren't good to make power with......
1. it has 116 HP stock
2. it redlines at 5500 RPMs
3. its a truck engine ;)
4. it has absolutely no top-end stock
5. its an old engine. the first R series was produced in 1953(!!)

Gurr:
the 3rd gen is not heavy by any means. maybe you are getting this misconception because the one you drive needs suspension work. with good aftermarket suspension, 3rd gens handle -very- well. the 22R can be pushed to 200+ HP as well. and when you look at the torque figures of a 200 HP 4A and a 200 HP 22R, you'll see which ones a better performer :)

i dont want to tell you what to do with your project but a 4A hardly seems worth it. note that a stock 4A barely has more HP than a stock 22R, (~8 HP depending on which year) and alot less torque (~40 ft/lbs). to me the money would be better spent on mods for a 22R. not that a AA6X (4A powered 3rd gen) wouldnt be cool, its pretty much a heavier AE86.

KoreanJoey
11-14-2005, 11:05 AM
yes but the R series engine was used in forklifts before it was used in cars ;)


1. it has 116 HP stock
2. it redlines at 5500 RPMs
3. its a truck engine ;)
4. it has absolutely no top-end stock
5. its an old engine. the first R series was produced in 1953(!!)

Gurr:
the 3rd gen is not heavy by any means. maybe you are getting this misconception because the one you drive needs suspension work. with good aftermarket suspension, 3rd gens handle -very- well. the 22R can be pushed to 200+ HP as well. and when you look at the torque figures of a 200 HP 4A and a 200 HP 22R, you'll see which ones a better performer :)

i dont want to tell you what to do with your project but a 4A hardly seems worth it. note that a stock 4A barely has more HP than a stock 22R, (~8 HP depending on which year) and alot less torque (~40 ft/lbs). to me the money would be better spent on mods for a 22R. not that a AA6X (4A powered 3rd gen) wouldnt be cool, its pretty much a heavier AE86.

Which would make it a not as cool Hachi.

tomyc48
11-17-2005, 10:01 PM
my 3rd gen wieghed in at the track this past weekend @ 2650 lb w/ almost a full interior right now and runs into the 13s in a 1/4 mile. w/ the right camshaft, intake and header my 20r/22r hybrid can rev to 6500 on a regular (forged pistons are next on my list). I'm not saying the car's a rocket or anything but you have the serious potential w/ the R series motors. and i'm not even close to being done yet.

buzzbomber
12-06-2005, 07:30 PM
hehe...completely gutted 85gt....2130lb with a full tank of gas :)
just wait until oldmage dyno's his 83gts n/a.....we members of celica-gts are hoping to see it push over 150hp

blck87gtconv
12-08-2005, 10:14 AM
my 3rd gen wieghed in at the track this past weekend @ 2650 lb w/ almost a full interior right now and runs into the 13s in a 1/4 mile. w/ the right camshaft, intake and header my 20r/22r hybrid can rev to 6500 on a regular (forged pistons are next on my list). I'm not saying the car's a rocket or anything but you have the serious potential w/ the R series motors. and i'm not even close to being done yet.
oooo.. that's getting me all tingly. I wonder what I'd run. http://www.greaserlee.com/smilies/yay0mg.gif